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Originally Posted by FunBall
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Originally Posted by theemus
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Originally Posted by Praetorian
Perception bias. The numbers haven't changed. If nothing else, a blue-geared tank now has +def from Dire Maul and elsewhere. We learned Magmadar with an 8/8 Valor tank who got crit like a motherfucker. It sucked.
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It's always fun listening to people complain that so and so's alt is going to cause us to wipe because there gear is so bad and then flipping through my old screenshots to see our MT on lucifron using a green helm of stamina. |
Ya, I remember our tank starting to try out +defense gear.
"Hey, this stuff isn't too bad."
Players that cry nerf are kinda funny. Everyone in the raid has now down the encounter 100 times, tanks have 2-3x more tank points than the blues and greens they came in with, DPS does 2x the damage they did at the start, and healers can basically last forever with improved gear.
But the instance got nerfed. |
First day my guild walked into MC (early July 2005, back when being a rag farming guild was an accomplishment) we went in with 5 58-59's and considered anyone in full blues to have excellent gear. Our tanks had gotten hard and heavy into the +def "craze" but the casters were still very annoyed with Blizzard for putting this "junk" m/5 stat in when what we really needed was more spirit and int.
I flasked for our first Nef kill- with a flask of distilled wisdom. I was "excellently" geared at the time, I had full epiks.... I had my benediction enchanted with +22int (OMFG the bestest enchant like EVAR). I clocked in at 535int 425spi- I had 12,343mana and I was unhappy because I couldn't touch Rapha, the uberleet geared priest with 14.5k mana. Man I was buffed to my last remaining buff slot- darkmoon buff, zandalar buff, blasted lands buff, 4 different kinds of food (ahhhh remember when...), and my leet flask of distilled wisdom.
The encounter hasn't been nerfed since then- but understanding of game mechanics, introduction of massive amounts of available gear and pots, and generally learning how to get the most out of what blizz is giving us makes the fight feel like a yawn fest. I did second stage forward in an elegant dress and dps jewelry (loooong story involving a forgotten ony cloak, a combat rez, and two queue'd gear changes) once- 5k mana and only a couple hundred +heal and still manged to keep folks alive and contribute. Trainable innervates, talent changes, gear....
The first time I specced disc/holy "for the guild" was while learning Gehennas. We had 12 healers- 3 of which were level 58/59 and in dubious greens and I was given the questionable job of being the main tank healer.... as a tri spec with my mooncloth robe and trindlehaven. (oh baby, 21 shadow/21 disc/9 holy goooooooooo!). I came out of the night of attempts crying because that boss was clearly not possible- I didn't have enough mana to keep the mt alive. /sob. /mourn silence.
The bosses aren't nerfed though- we're buffed hehe.