Originally Posted by The Iron Colonel
No numbers there yet, but hopefully that thread will blossom and bear the delicious fruit of theory. Now, if only people could back up anecdotal evidence with empirical and theoretical evidence in that thread, we'd be set.
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There's too much emo in that thread. Its mostly back and forth arguing at one person's opinion over another without any proof to back up claims. What I would like to see is some intelligent convo on optimizing survival spec and gear while comparing the end tier MT talent vs other choices, etc. Hopefully the delicious fruit of that theory will show itself.
Here is Guyman's post on Survival and his thoughts on it:
Hey Howitzer, I've been reading your various posts about both BM and Survival in 2.1. I was actually survival before 2.1 and I was able to do pretty solid DPS. I don't exactly have charts readily available, but I was around 700+ dps on Gruul using a 0/20/41 build. My gear was sub-par, mostly heavy-agi blues and a few epics. Unbuffed I was around 30-31% crit.
In my opinion, I believe that once you reach an unbuffed level of 34-35% crit, improved hawk surpasses Master Tactician. Putting out more shots with that level of critting is going to be more effective than a few seconds of virtually guaranteed crits. I'm not sure myself if Master Tactician is really able to compare to improved aspect of the hawk, recently checking your armory, I see that you've respecced into 0/21/40 so hopefully you can verify that for yourself.
Also, do you think 3 points in expose weakness is really necessary? I was thinking of just 2 points for my survival build, given the duration of the debuff, I figured, there would be a pretty good chance of reproccing it.
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From what I've seen so far taking on MT 4/5 at 35% unbuffed crit it seems like a waste. One other person suggested possibly investing 3/3 barrage and Wyvern sting which seems nice but not sure if it will will surpass IAoTH. Guyman is leaning towards what I am assuming in that a 1st tier BM talent surpasses the usefulness of MT that is so deep into the survival tree. The other thing that he brings up is investing all 3 points into EW. Do you need a solid 45% crit to have EW up 100% of the time with only 2/3 EW?