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Tasonir · 05/28/07, 7:08 AM

I recently made a post similiar to this on my guild forum, so I'm just going to copy and paste it here. The video may be slightly irrelevant, but as many people in my guild still doubt that anything but a warrior can tank, I figured an example of a druid fighting Mulgar may help, since we haven't downed him yet. Warriors really take about 1% crushing, but it's dependant on skill/latency, and I just went ahead and used 0% also. I also used a fairly high dodge low armor bear setup, you could lower the dodge and increase armor. The post:

Let's assume a boss hits for 10,000 damage (raw), and calculate the actual damage recieved.

Warrior:
10% reduction for defensive stance = 9000 damage.
Assumed 55% reduction from armor: 4050 damage.
Assumed 250 damage reduction by shield block: 3800 damage per hit, always. (no chance of crushing calc required)

Druid:
Assumed 68% armor reduction: 3200 damage.
15% chance for 4800 damage. (crushing)
Assume 40% dodge/miss, meaning 45% hit, 15% crushing hit: average hit for 3600.

Granted that crushing blows represent a spike in damage recieved; the druid still takes 200 less damage per hit.

Assumed armor values (and dodge/miss for druids) can tweak this either way, of course. Also, if the mob's raw damage is lower (10k is somewhat high, although in 25 mans it is even higher) then shield block is worth more. If you think these values are off, let me know. Is shield wall really the answer? I readily admit that warriors have a lot more emergency buttons, I only have two, and they aren't nearly as effective as shield wall (pocket watch, frenzied regen). What I wouldn't give to be able to use a healing potion, even.

I just find it hard to believe effects that last < 20 seconds really make the difference when you have to tank most bosses for 3-5 minutes. The prince's second phase is very short by comparison, but even that is going to be around 60-80 seconds by my estimation.

But if a druid can tank Mulgar, I don't see why we can't get the prince:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruqD2hy639k

Great video <.<

05/28/07, 7:08 AM	#6
Tasonir Von Kaiser Tasonir Night Elf Druid Blackhand	I recently made a post similiar to this on my guild forum, so I'm just going to copy and paste it here. The video may be slightly irrelevant, but as many people in my guild still doubt that anything but a warrior can tank, I figured an example of a druid fighting Mulgar may help, since we haven't downed him yet. Warriors really take about 1% crushing, but it's dependant on skill/latency, and I just went ahead and used 0% also. I also used a fairly high dodge low armor bear setup, you could lower the dodge and increase armor. The post: Let's assume a boss hits for 10,000 damage (raw), and calculate the actual damage recieved. Warrior: 10% reduction for defensive stance = 9000 damage. Assumed 55% reduction from armor: 4050 damage. Assumed 250 damage reduction by shield block: 3800 damage per hit, always. (no chance of crushing calc required) Druid: Assumed 68% armor reduction: 3200 damage. 15% chance for 4800 damage. (crushing) Assume 40% dodge/miss, meaning 45% hit, 15% crushing hit: average hit for 3600. Granted that crushing blows represent a spike in damage recieved; the druid still takes 200 less damage per hit. Assumed armor values (and dodge/miss for druids) can tweak this either way, of course. Also, if the mob's raw damage is lower (10k is somewhat high, although in 25 mans it is even higher) then shield block is worth more. If you think these values are off, let me know. Is shield wall really the answer? I readily admit that warriors have a lot more emergency buttons, I only have two, and they aren't nearly as effective as shield wall (pocket watch, frenzied regen). What I wouldn't give to be able to use a healing potion, even. I just find it hard to believe effects that last < 20 seconds really make the difference when you have to tank most bosses for 3-5 minutes. The prince's second phase is very short by comparison, but even that is going to be around 60-80 seconds by my estimation. But if a druid can tank Mulgar, I don't see why we can't get the prince: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruqD2hy639k Great video <.<