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Andemoni · 05/30/07, 2:57 AM

Playing offensively, while nice in theory and working against all other setups, doesn't really pan out. Problem for us against these kind of teams is two-fold; they have more offensive and defensive capabilities than we do.

If we go on the pure offensive, with me helping at the beginning with Holy Shock and JoR, we will get one of them down. This will leave us 5v4 against a warlock and a shadow priest or, alternatively, two warlocks. However, by the time their team member dies (remember, they have three AoE fears, two Death Coils and two Spell Locks), one of our team members will soon follow. This is inevitable without the druid helping me heal, as DoT damage is unmitigable (without specialized gear, shadow resistance aura only helps so much), cannot be LoS'd, cannot be outranged, cannot be removed. Usually the first to die from us is the warrior, no surprise there. This leaves us with 4v4, and we simply lose due to the fact that they do not require anything that we do to maintain high dps. Even if the druid were to help me heal, the damage output would soon overwhelm us and we would lose too much dps to maintain our ground in the long run.

There seems to be no balance that would help us have a fighting chance. To be forced to use green world drops as your choice of gear instead of the intended Gladiator gear to combat a singular setup seems off to me. Shouldn't these resistance "flavors" in the game be left for the people who like to PvE instead of us? Then it would just mean that Blizzard has once again managed to make PvE gear best for PvP, which is something I'd rather never see.

In short, they have more control, more dps and more healing (thanks to Healthstones and our warrior going down early in the game). Cannot really see what they lack in comparison.

I've been sleeping on this, and just cannot fathom a counter to this setup. This will propably result in us recruiting some people for our team, or just stop playing 5v5 ladder altogether. We do have some alts we might be able to use, but in the end, it's one less fun team to play against in the arenas of the Blackout battlegroup.

05/30/07, 2:57 AM	#32
Andemoni Glass Joe Valthurgia Blood Elf Paladin <Depraved> Twilight's Hammer (EU)	Playing offensively, while nice in theory and working against all other setups, doesn't really pan out. Problem for us against these kind of teams is two-fold; they have more offensive and defensive capabilities than we do. If we go on the pure offensive, with me helping at the beginning with Holy Shock and JoR, we will get one of them down. This will leave us 5v4 against a warlock and a shadow priest or, alternatively, two warlocks. However, by the time their team member dies (remember, they have three AoE fears, two Death Coils and two Spell Locks), one of our team members will soon follow. This is inevitable without the druid helping me heal, as DoT damage is unmitigable (without specialized gear, shadow resistance aura only helps so much), cannot be LoS'd, cannot be outranged, cannot be removed. Usually the first to die from us is the warrior, no surprise there. This leaves us with 4v4, and we simply lose due to the fact that they do not require anything that we do to maintain high dps. Even if the druid were to help me heal, the damage output would soon overwhelm us and we would lose too much dps to maintain our ground in the long run. There seems to be no balance that would help us have a fighting chance. To be forced to use green world drops as your choice of gear instead of the intended Gladiator gear to combat a singular setup seems off to me. Shouldn't these resistance "flavors" in the game be left for the people who like to PvE instead of us? Then it would just mean that Blizzard has once again managed to make PvE gear best for PvP, which is something I'd rather never see. In short, they have more control, more dps and more healing (thanks to Healthstones and our warrior going down early in the game). Cannot really see what they lack in comparison. I've been sleeping on this, and just cannot fathom a counter to this setup. This will propably result in us recruiting some people for our team, or just stop playing 5v5 ladder altogether. We do have some alts we might be able to use, but in the end, it's one less fun team to play against in the arenas of the Blackout battlegroup.