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Obould · 07/09/07, 3:32 PM

For the theory keep reading, and go through the the whole original post. A member of this forum wrote a html-site which will calculate based on the tanks WWS his threat.

All rights go to Coolyo who wrote it: TPS Calculator with WWS link to Tank (Warrior)

1) Introduction

There are several posts regarding sustained TPS as well a Spreadsheet ([Warrior] Tanking TPS sheet.), what i would like to find out is if the "reality" can hold up "even close" to this sheet.

I will use WWS parsed encounter and provide hard numbers with calculations which everyone is invited to re-check and find out if my numbers are correct.

I was under the impression as well that 1200+ sustained TPS is easy to achive, but once i was re-checking calculations my guild-mate made i got very interrested in the real outcome and i was kinda suprised what we found out.

2) The fight

What we need is a Tank & Spank fight, ppl of this community, especially tank will agree with me, that one of those encounters is Teron Gorefiend in Black Temple.

I am choosing an anonymous report on WWS, which is by this date the on the Raid-DPS counted as number 6.

Wow Web Stats

Sitta was the MT in this fight, you can find his numbers and detailed information here:

Wow Web Stats

3) The Threat Values

Warrior Skills:

Sunder Armor (Rank 6) _________ 301
Heroic Strike (Rank 10) _______ 196
Heroic Strike (Rank 11) [book]_ 220 (guess)
Revenge (Rank 8) ______________ 201
Shield Bash (Rank 4) __________ 230
Shield Slam (Rank 6) __________ 307
Devastate (Rank All)___________ 101
Thunder Clap (Rank All)____ +75%dmg
Cleave (Rank 6) _______________ 130 (split)
Disarm_________________________ 104
Mocking Blow (Rank 6) _________ 290
Demoralizing Shout (Rank 7) ___ 56 (split)
Battleshout (Rank 8) __________ 69 (split)
Commanding Shout ______________ 68 (split)
Hamstring (Rank 4) ____________ 181

Note: This numbers are also used in the Thread-1.0 library Omen uses, as well as KTM-Threatmeter

Healing Threat:

Healing Threat is usually half the "Effective Healing" done, and then spread with the number of mobs, which in this case for Teron we asume the # of mobs = 1, multiplied with the modifier (see Modifier below).

Modifiers

Defensive Stance: x 1,3
Defiance Skill: +15%
=================
MOD x 1.495

4) The WWS Numbers

Wow Web Stats

Ability_______________DMG________Landed Hits______Landed Crits
Heroic Strike................41.913............76......................17
Shield Slam.................34.924............29.....................6
Devastate....................15.374............40....................6
Revenge......................13.280............29....................5
Melee..........................11.191
ThunderClap..................1.879............10.....................0

Note:
Why the landed hits + landed crits, because otherwhise we dont catch the DMG number, example for Heroic Strike (for avg dmg hit / crit check WWS)

Heroic Strike DMG = AvgHitDmg x LandedHits + AvgCritDmg x LandedCrits
Heroic Strike DMG = 381 x 76 + 759 x 17 = 41,859 which comes close to the reported number!!

Ability___________________Heals________Overheal%
PrayerofMending...........38.656............20%
EarthShield...................21.633.............7%
ILotP............................20.991............50%
SealofLight....................14.263............68%
Lifebloom......................14.223............26%

4) The Calculation

Threat from damage:

Ability__________________DMG
Heroic Strike................41.913
Shield Slam.................34.924
Devastate....................15.374
Revenge......................13.280
Melee..........................11.191
ThunderClap..................1.879
=======================
Raw damage done: .... 118561

Threat from raw dmg x 1.495 : 177249

Threat from Skills used:

Heroic Strike:......220 x (76+17) x 1,495 = 30588
Shield Slam:.......307 x (29+6) x 1,495 = 16064
Devastate:..........101 x (40+6) x 1,495 = 6946
Revenge:............201 x (29+5) x 1,495 = 10217
ThunderClap........1.879 x 1,75 x 1,495 = 4916
SunderArmor........301 x 5 x 1,495 = 2250
==============================

Threat from Skills = 70981

Healing Threat

Effective Healing only, is Raw Healing minus the Overheals:

PoM:..30925
ES:.....20119
ILotP:.10496 (REMOVED, see posts below)
SoL:.....4564
LB:.....10522 (REMOVED, see posts below)
=========
SUM....55608

Healing Threat for MT = 55608 / 2 x 1,495 = 41566

Summing all the three values up now and we get a Threat number of:

DMG:......177249 (61%)
SKILLS:.....70981 (24%)
HEALS:......41566 (15%)
============
...............289796

The fight lasted
from: 19:08'58.609
to: 19:13'50.421
==============
~ 4mins 50sec = 292sec

Sustained TPS: 992

5) Conclusion

This is top end TPS guys, you can go ahead and check the other WWS from Teron GoreFiend, if you find a better example please post.

Check first the tanks own DPS done in the fight because as you can see, 61% of all the Threat comes from the own dmg and if its lower then 413DPS like it is for this Warrior, dont even start trying to calculate.

What is even more amazing is the healing threat, it accumulates to 15%.

I dont know any other fight atm which is so stationary, has a hard hitting mob and is really a nice example of Tank & Spank encounter, so i dont think you can try any other fight to accomplish more sustained TPS, but go ahead prove me wrong.

Please, also dont just post now but well then 1200+ TPS should be easy reachable, it is not a feral druid in your group with his 5% crit-aura is ~ flat 33TPS and this guy already had one.

The only support this guy did not have was Battleshout and a WF totem but check out this guy he had at least WF: Derrida - WWS and his melee-threat = 171k (which is lower then Sitta's)

Anyway, my conclusion is this if you want more TPS then your raw-melee dmg has to go up, which is yet actually full in symbosis with rage gained thus beeing able to use skills.

EDITED:
- removed LB/LotP healing thread, TPS went from 1009 -> 956
- original healing threat went from 20% -> 15% overall
- confirmed MODs for healing apply, tested with PoM
- landed hits did not included landed crits, so the threat from skill has changed TPS change again from 956 -> 992

07/09/07, 3:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
Obould Von Kaiser Obould Orc Warrior <default> Burning Legion (EU)	[Warrior] Sustained TPS / WWSed For the theory keep reading, and go through the the whole original post. A member of this forum wrote a html-site which will calculate based on the tanks WWS his threat. All rights go to Coolyo who wrote it: TPS Calculator with WWS link to Tank (Warrior) *1) Introduction* There are several posts regarding sustained TPS as well a Spreadsheet ([Warrior] Tanking TPS sheet.), what i would like to find out is if the "reality" can hold up "even close" to this sheet. I will use WWS parsed encounter and provide hard numbers with calculations which everyone is invited to re-check and find out if my numbers are correct. I was under the impression as well that 1200+ sustained TPS is easy to achive, but once i was re-checking calculations my guild-mate made i got very interrested in the real outcome and i was kinda suprised what we found out. *2) The fight* What we need is a Tank & Spank fight, ppl of this community, especially tank will agree with me, that one of those encounters is Teron Gorefiend in Black Temple. I am choosing an anonymous report on WWS, which is by this date the on the Raid-DPS counted as number 6. Wow Web Stats Sitta was the MT in this fight, you can find his numbers and detailed information here: Wow Web Stats *3) The Threat Values* Warrior Skills: Sunder Armor (Rank 6) _________ 301 Heroic Strike (Rank 10) _______ 196 Heroic Strike (Rank 11) [book]_ 220 (guess) Revenge (Rank 8) ______________ 201 Shield Bash (Rank 4) __________ 230 Shield Slam (Rank 6) __________ 307 Devastate (Rank All)___________ 101 Thunder Clap (Rank All)____ +75%dmg Cleave (Rank 6) _______________ 130 (split) Disarm_________________________ 104 Mocking Blow (Rank 6) _________ 290 Demoralizing Shout (Rank 7) ___ 56 (split) Battleshout (Rank 8) __________ 69 (split) Commanding Shout ______________ 68 (split) Hamstring (Rank 4) ____________ 181 Note: This numbers are also used in the Thread-1.0 library Omen uses, as well as KTM-Threatmeter Healing Threat: Healing Threat is usually half the "Effective Healing" done, and then spread with the number of mobs, which in this case for Teron we asume the # of mobs = 1, multiplied with the modifier (see Modifier below). Modifiers Defensive Stance: x 1,3 Defiance Skill: +15% ================= MOD x 1.495 *4) The WWS Numbers* Wow Web Stats Ability_______________DMG________Landed Hits______Landed Crits Heroic Strike................41.913............76......................17 Shield Slam.................34.924............29.....................6 Devastate....................15.374............40....................6 Revenge......................13.280............29....................5 Melee..........................11.191 ThunderClap..................1.879............10.....................0 Note: Why the landed hits + landed crits, because otherwhise we dont catch the DMG number, example for Heroic Strike (for avg dmg hit / crit check WWS) Heroic Strike DMG = AvgHitDmg x LandedHits + AvgCritDmg x LandedCrits Heroic Strike DMG = 381 x 76 + 759 x 17 = 41,859 which comes close to the reported number!! Ability___________________Heals________Overheal% PrayerofMending...........38.656............20% EarthShield...................21.633.............7% ILotP............................20.991............50% SealofLight....................14.263............68% Lifebloom......................14.223............26% *4) The Calculation* Threat from damage: Ability__________________DMG Heroic Strike................41.913 Shield Slam.................34.924 Devastate....................15.374 Revenge......................13.280 Melee..........................11.191 ThunderClap..................1.879 ======================= Raw damage done: .... 118561 Threat from raw dmg x 1.495 : 177249 Threat from Skills used: Heroic Strike:......220 x (76+17) x 1,495 = 30588 Shield Slam:.......307 x (29+6) x 1,495 = 16064 Devastate:..........101 x (40+6) x 1,495 = 6946 Revenge:............201 x (29+5) x 1,495 = 10217 ThunderClap........1.879 x 1,75 x 1,495 = 4916 SunderArmor........301 x 5 x 1,495 = 2250 ============================== Threat from Skills = 70981 Healing Threat Effective Healing only, is Raw Healing minus the Overheals: PoM:..30925 ES:.....20119 ILotP:.10496 (REMOVED, see posts below) SoL:.....4564 LB:.....10522 (REMOVED, see posts below) ========= SUM....55608 Healing Threat for MT = 55608 / 2 x 1,495 = 41566 Summing all the three values up now and we get a Threat number of: DMG:......177249 (61%) SKILLS:.....70981 (24%) HEALS:......41566 (15%) ============ ...............289796 The fight lasted from: 19:08'58.609 to: 19:13'50.421 ============== ~ 4mins 50sec = 292sec Sustained TPS: 992 *5) Conclusion* This is top end TPS guys, you can go ahead and check the other WWS from Teron GoreFiend, if you find a better example please post. Check first the tanks own DPS done in the fight because as you can see, 61% of all the Threat comes from the own dmg and if its lower then 413DPS like it is for this Warrior, dont even start trying to calculate. What is even more amazing is the healing threat, it accumulates to 15%. I dont know any other fight atm which is so stationary, has a hard hitting mob and is really a nice example of Tank & Spank encounter, so i dont think you can try any other fight to accomplish more sustained TPS, but go ahead prove me wrong. Please, also dont just post now but well then 1200+ TPS should be easy reachable, it is not a feral druid in your group with his 5% crit-aura is ~ flat 33TPS and this guy already had one. The only support this guy did not have was Battleshout and a WF totem but check out this guy he had at least WF: Derrida - WWS and his melee-threat = 171k (which is lower then Sitta's) Anyway, my conclusion is this if you want more TPS then your raw-melee dmg has to go up, which is yet actually full in symbosis with rage gained thus beeing able to use skills. EDITED: - removed LB/LotP healing thread, TPS went from 1009 -> 956 - original healing threat went from 20% -> 15% overall - confirmed MODs for healing apply, tested with PoM - landed hits did not included landed crits, so the threat from skill has changed TPS change again from 956 -> 992 Last edited by Obould : 08/29/07 at 8:00 AM.