Originally Posted by Allev
I want to see your citing of the evidence here. I have 3/5 improved demo roar, and it overwrites a warrior's shout (and a warrior can't overwrite mine). But if your values are correct, 3/5 of the talent would be .6 * 96 + 240 = 297.6, still less than a warrior's standard shout.
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Got the values from Thottbot - just checked in game and Demo Roar rank 6 is listed as 248 AP, not 240. That'd make enough of a difference to get over the 300 mark. Asked a Warrior friend, their shout is listed as 300 indeed (unimproved).
Your 3/5 value would put you at 124% of 248 = 307.5
Originally Posted by Fringe_Worthy
In terms of Bear tanking, does it matter if the mob is bleed immune or not when it comes to spending your rage? (Assuming sufficient rage, maul queued up, Mangle on cooldown) Or is it still Lacerate > Swipe until swipe > 225 damage? (And since lacerate is mostly static, it doesn't matter if the count is 0/5 or 5/5?) Or more simply: How do I rage dump?
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It makes no difference since the hotfix.
The initial damage done by Lacerate affects Bleed Immunes (and can even crit). The dot part of Lacerate can largely be ignored when it comes to threat generation.