Originally Posted by flyingtoastr
I had a parse of my guild's attempts at ZA but I seem to have misplaced it (oddly not on my WWS account or my hard drive). If I find it I'll post it here, but if not I was doing about the damage of our resident fury warrior. We both had Windfury and Unleashed rage, neither had might (since I was the only pally in raid). The only problem that I noticed was mana constraints, which I could have easily compensated for by actually remembering to copy over my bank character so I had some mana pots. The only time I came close to pulling aggro on a boss is when I had Heroism and Avenging Wrath active at the same time.
Thats the best I can give you right now, if I head there again I'll record it. I'm sure someone else has a log though.
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Thanks for the information. This all feels in line with what I'm thinking, but I have to start putting together consistent, irrefutable evidence backed up by hard numbers that show bringing a retadin in will help us. I've already started grabbing quotes (such as the JoW math) from this thread and posting it, but until I get some parses in a raid environment, I'm wasting my time. Worse, I'm subjecting myself to the ravings of a very negative crowd; one warrior in particular who's crying because he knows damn well ret's time has come.