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dukes · 01/08/08, 6:49 PM

It depends on what your 33k includes. If it's unbuffed, there should be virtually no difference between that and capped (devo aura/motw = nearly 2k armour). If you regularly have an inspiration/ancestral fort specced healer, again the difference should be pretty small from 30k+, as long as they have decent gear.

The entire problem I have with people saying "get to the cap then you can swap gear etc." is that I never got to the cap. I never even got close to the cap (31k or so). I don't understand how you can get to the cap with a decent gear setup that isn't purely stacking armour for the sake of it, still have good threat and then have so much armour you can start swapping pieces out as well as being crit immune. I understand people aren't talking out of their arses when they say they're capped (I can identify gear sets that have it) but I don't see the advantage in the lost balance of other stats while wearing those setups. Sticking to a target of 30k armour gives you so much more freedom of gear than going for ~36k, and if you are mostly in a hybrid role it's much more benefit to have relatively solid tanking stats and much better threat/damage than it is to stack tanking loads, then find you're not useful because your agro is crap/damage is poor.

@ Karmen, you might want to read the first post. Pretty much every useful point you made is in there, and for multimob tanking swipe is superior to lacerate by a long way right from the start (the break even point is approximately where swipe is doing 225 damage total, which is about 75 on each mob as long as you're hitting 3). As much as it might seem counter-intuitive, swipe is also better in a situation with crowd control than lacerate is. If you happen to break a sheep with swipe you weren't paying attention but it can get resheeped - if you do the same with lacerate you're screwed for the next 15 seconds (other than the sheep getting resheeped constantly for that time). Also as Duilliath pointed out, the actual lacerate bleed damage means bugger all in threat terms.

01/08/08, 6:49 PM	#1264 (permalink)
dukes Bald Bull Dukes Tauren Druid <DarkStorm> Al'Akir (EU)	It depends on what your 33k includes. If it's unbuffed, there should be virtually no difference between that and capped (devo aura/motw = nearly 2k armour). If you regularly have an inspiration/ancestral fort specced healer, again the difference should be pretty small from 30k+, as long as they have decent gear. The entire problem I have with people saying "get to the cap then you can swap gear etc." is that I never got to the cap. I never even got close to the cap (31k or so). I don't understand how you can get to the cap with a decent gear setup that isn't purely stacking armour for the sake of it, still have good threat and then have so much armour you can start swapping pieces out as well as being crit immune. I understand people aren't talking out of their arses when they say they're capped (I can identify gear sets that have it) but I don't see the advantage in the lost balance of other stats while wearing those setups. Sticking to a target of 30k armour gives you so much more freedom of gear than going for ~36k, and if you are mostly in a hybrid role it's much more benefit to have relatively solid tanking stats and much better threat/damage than it is to stack tanking loads, then find you're not useful because your agro is crap/damage is poor. @ Karmen, you might want to read the first post. Pretty much every useful point you made is in there, and for multimob tanking swipe is superior to lacerate by a long way right from the start (the break even point is approximately where swipe is doing 225 damage total, which is about 75 on each mob as long as you're hitting 3). As much as it might seem counter-intuitive, swipe is also better in a situation with crowd control than lacerate is. If you happen to break a sheep with swipe you weren't paying attention but it can get resheeped - if you do the same with lacerate you're screwed for the next 15 seconds (other than the sheep getting resheeped constantly for that time). Also as Duilliath pointed out, the actual lacerate bleed damage means bugger all in threat terms.