Originally Posted by Anias
Wraith - you're (at a minimum) ignoring why I want player training to be examined:
There are a load of non-trivial tasks in wow that are not at all intuitive from the game. Hunter shot rotations? Game sucks ass as making them clear. Warlock dot rotations? Game sucks ass at making them clear. Warrior threat rotations? Game sucks ass at making it clear. How to heal and conserve your mana? Not automaticly obvious.
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I'm hard-pressed to see how this really matters. This thread has already commented on what you're bringing up, look at page 10 of this thread for Shalas' comment. Warrior threat rotation? As long as you hit all the moves that say "produces high threat", i.e. Sunder, Revenge, HS, Devastate, etc, and renew your Shield Block every cd, your threat will be more than fine. Sure it won't be optimal tps, but it'll be more than enough to clear at least T5 instances.
Warlock dot rotations? Do warlocks have dot rotations other than "Keep all DoTs up at all times and spam SB?". And even if there is one, would that rotation have significantly higher DPS (5-10%) than a warlock that just kept renewing dots and SBing? It's pretty darn intuitive that SB > Drain Life, Immolate, etc.
Hunter shot rotations and healer mana conservation, I'll concede you that much, but I would point out that there are ways to ameliorate mana conservation issues, i.e. slamming down mana pots and having an Alchemist's Stone.
Originally Posted by Denogran
Edit: I don't think that telling people "Go find it on the web" is as intuitive as you're making it out to be. Every game I've played until WoW, and indeed the early part of WoW, having to look shit up on the internetz was basically akin to cheating. I couldn't figure it out myself given the constructs of the game? Someone else managed to and posted the information me. So either the game developer fucked up by making the game too hard, or I was a stupid/lazy bastard who couldn't figure it out given the information presented to me in the game. Why is WoW magically different. What inherently in the game makes it such that looking up stuff on the web is not only accepted, but encouraged? How is this a failure of the players instead of a failure of design?
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You've never looked something up on Google for a school/college/whatever project? I don't know how old you are, so I won't make any assumptions, but I don't see how the average Joe doesn't know about Google. Everybody searches the web at some point, either for school/work/fun/hobbies/etc, and I don't see how you can't apply that to WoW as well. Barring that, once you're in a raid guild, you should have people telling you these things. By now most, if not all semi-casual raiders should read the WoW forums, EJ, worldofraids, etc. Ignorance is not an acceptable defense in law and it shouldn't be in WoW. Saying "But I'm too stupid to look up information and get better" should have a consequence, and that consequence is failing versus Attumen.