Maczor

I was going to reply to each of your points but as I was replying most of them were the same. I get where you are coming from and it just sounds like WoW isn't that important to you and your friends and that your other activities take priority. A lot of your comments sound like you should be playing a single player/co-op console/PC game that you and your friends can pickup and play whenever you want, and stop playing it just as quickly.

I’m not sure what your gaming history is, but WoW is literally “Super Easy-Mode” in nearly every aspect compared to its MMO predecessors. No penalty for death, PVP safe zones, instanced content, smaller guilds/raids, ability to respect, top end loot that is extremely accessible, the list goes on.

This statement struck me as strange seeing as you basically are saying you hate everything about WoW. I have to ask is this game really for you if you hate such a large portion of it? Few people like everything about WoW. I hate Arena for example, but the other aspects of the game I enjoy. I like to take an hour or two and do some BG's. Or solo run Strath 2 or 3 times in a row trying for the Deathcharger. Or grind Orgers in Nagrand for rep. Or just fly around Blades Edge Mountains and mine ore.

Your biggest issue is you say you hate farming an instance and don't like to kill a boss more then a few times. Your solution is to dumb down raiding (and the game in general) even further to the point where players like myself (top 600 US Illidan guild, nothing special) would have been done with not only raiding after 2 months of TBC… but done with EVERYTHING, completing each new 25 instance in a couple weeks instead of a couple months. This kind of change is not good for WoW or raiding.

However I do have some options for you if you want to see all end game raid content at a mere fraction of the true time investment required.

1. Join a T6 guild as a guest. Our guild does this and we’ve taken raiding members friends, or old members who can on longer raid through all of Hyjal and most of BT. Most of these guests will get to experience the Illidan encounter while investing something like 1/20th the time a normal raiding member of Prodigy would have.

2. Join a PUG. Yes these exist. I know because our guild runs them on the weekends. We’ve done SSC and TK including Kael and Vashj. In 2.4 I wouldn't be surprised if we started doing Hyjal and BT. We’ve taken randoms that were vouched as good players (AKA you) and even have gotten them both of their vials. Granted Blackrock is one of the top progressed servers, but this is an option especially if you are looking to see content only once.

3. Level 80 is just around the corner. You said you are ok seeing the content months after everyone else. And if you already don’t have a lot of time to play WoW, why not wait until you are level 80 and go back and kill Archimonde and Illidan then? I did it with Kel’Thazad and it made for a very relaxing and fun night of raiding, one or two shotting encounters I’ve never seen before.


I agree there is room for improvement, but a lot of that will already happen in WOTLK. We are getting Naxx as an intro 25 man dungeon. Also the 10 man progression path is supposed to be more complete and on par with the 25 man path.

But you need to realize that if both of us are playing WoW and you play 8 hours a week and I play 30, I’m going to get to experience more of the game then you. It’s just the way an MMO is designed and if that isn’t acceptable then maybe this genre isn’t for you. I hate most things about FPS games… and guess what I don’t play them very often.