Originally Posted by Shha
Well graul way i see it potency=22str with kings.
With uptime i calculated (30%) mongoose is 40 agi with kings and around 12haste for me, for OH that is.
I honestly doubt i have THAT much downtime. IN straight numbers, 40 agi = 34 str. 12 haste = 18 str.
Mongoose provides 52 str equivalent on a straight tank and spank. Are you suggesting my effective downtime is 60% of dps time? I doubt it. Granted with the numbers from spreadsheet (22% uptime). Mongoose is only around 39 st equivalent. But even then, 20 str vs 39 seems way more then downtime would support.
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While I agree that Mongoose is better than Potency (albeit by a smaller margin than people realise), I strongly disagree with the SEP values you are using. 40 agi = 34 str? Agi is nowhere near that good. Not in any of the spreadsheets, and not in any gear that I've tried (granted, I might not have tried the very best setups). Normally you'd get that 1 agi ~ 0.65 SEP (which is what you get if you assume 1 crit = 1 SEP and 22.1/33 factor for agi vs crit rating). And 12 haste is no where near 18 str. In the sheets you can easily find that 1 haste rating is about 0.7-0.8 SEP (was >1 before haste nerf though).
Using these more realistic SEP values, Mongoose would be worth around 35 str, so still better than Potency (even if the uptime is lower).
edit: The haste from mongoose has been modeled in the sheets for at least 6 months. I don't know why you're claiming that it's not modeled. It's modeled in the sheet by landsoul and it's modeled in drALLCOM3's sheet (which is what Grim13 based his sheet on, so I severly doubt that the mongoose haste is not in there). In drALLCOM3's sheet you can find the Mongoose haste in cell N43 in the Buffed DPS page.