Originally Posted by Galick
Ok I just briefly read through the things posted but here's what I've found out. JoJ cannot be resisted, however trinkets now remove the debuff. The way I get around it is I open with JoJ and when the druid trinkets, I throw my stun on him and if he gets away, the warrior intercepts on him and my judgement cooldown is surely up by then. Oh and JoB is the only physical seal YA'LL have, or so I'm told. I'm still sandy about not having it.
I recently started tryin ret in 5v5. So far I'm 11-0 on the team and it's at 1712. The setup is warrior/ret paladin/ele shaman/rogue/holy paladin. The idea behind the team is to assist train warlocks. If there is no warlock, then we find a priest or druid and get on that target. With the large amount of bursts/stuns we can quickly eliminate a target and having two pally bops to fall back on is a great asset. It's built to combat the Euro comp. I'm speculating that we will struggle against the double shaman teams that have a lotta burst and no cloth, but luckily those teams are few and far between.
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You will struggle more when you get into the higher brackets and the druids/mages get better at CC on your DPS. Any team with decent CC is going to turn your match into 3DPS/1Healer vs. 2DPS/2Healer....and its hard to burst down a target with 2 healers up.
Also, you will grow to hate BOP. Even if you are spam purging a well time BOP will cut a huge amount of incoming damage.....and if the purge is resisted then your odds of winning the game just went way down.
A typical team will put their rogue on your elemental shaman (I cant remember the last time I met more than 1 team in a week that didnt have a rogue so I just assume every team has one)....so he is out of the picture DPS wise. One of your 3 physical dps classes will be getting chain CC - probably ret pally or rogue depending on who you are going for on their team. That leaves 2 of your DPS on a target that has 2 healers supporting him. Not good odds for you.
Sure, sometimes everyone will get WF procs and your target will instantly die....and thats fun. But overall it is a weaker comp than 3 DPS/2 Healer ones.
I recommend trying out warrior/rogue/enhance shaman/holy pally/disc priest if you want to play a very similar comp that is a bit more reliable for wins.
Or alternatively since I'm assuming you are a ret pally try warrior/ret pally/rogue/resto shaman/disc priest (or holy pally). If you decide to run this comp with a priest you will need to pay close attention to your healers as a ret pally and use BOF/BOP at the right times to help them.