Originally Posted by Blackthought
This line of thinking is why the republicans do well in impoverished areas and frankly baffles me. Why are you excited about changes that will limit your personal ability to improve your toon?
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I dunno about Republicans, but I find WoW to be fun because I feel like I'm "earning" what I get. Saving up points at the end of a season and buying 4~5 armor upgrades on the first day of a new arena season does not feel like I'm "earning" it. PvP gear is there to reward PvP - so why should I end up with half a dozen S4 items before I've even played a single round of S4 PvP?
What if some random NPC in Shatt simply gave out full T6 gear for talking to him? That'd be an easier way to improve your toon than killing Illidan and Archimonde - but there'd be no challenge, no fun, and no incentive to play. WoW needs *some* challenge, whether it's PvP or PvE - and rating requirements like 1550~1600 are a pretty small challenge for the gear you get.
Originally Posted by Fugazor
I approve those changes, even for honor items. This should cut point/team selling at least and make PvP rewards less "welfare".
However what about players that dislike arenas but like rewards? Arena seems to be for PvP what raids are for PvE - the one and only right way. I think that is quite bad design and there should be different ways to obtain end-game gear both in PvP and PvE. For PvP it could be something with bigger numbers of people (guilds!) and world pvp involved, for PvE something for 5/10 mans (first step is already done with BoJ).
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I'm not sure, but it seems like S3 non-set items will still be available in S4. Even if they're not, S2 Armor/Weapons will have 0 rating requirements, and those will take a while to collect, too.
I think it's similar to how 25-man/10-mans are split up. The best of the best PvE gear is in 25-mans, but you can also get good gear in 10-mans. The best of the best PvP gear is from Arena*, but you can get some good gear from BGs. If you do both, you can get all the best in slot gear and gear up that much faster.
*not strictly true, but close enough