Originally Posted by Daedalix
Even if you have a core (let's say a tank/RL, geared healers, and a really really good dps to set the bar) it doesn't really work unless A) you have 20 other solid people around you or B) you want to spend the time to teach people how to play and push the edge of content.
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I've found myself in countless guilds where a core group of 20-25(Vanilla) or 10-15(chocolate) consistently drag lesser players through content. This is evident in alot of 5/6ssc 3/4tk guilds. These two fights (although probably more kael than vashj) are probably the first raidwide competency check in TBC raiding. This guild that I started began to look this way mid SSC/TK. Mass recruiting for a brief period of time along with extreme reprimand/borderline harassment on my part fixed this. Although I've earned a reputation for being a huge asshole my guild has flourished.
In retrospec I would like to mention that those players weren't bad because they were generally bad. They were bad because the leadership let them be bad.I think it boils down to leadership. People, while human are still a resource at least in this environment(wow).Poor management or neglect of resources doesn't fair well in any analogy we put it in.
After 3 months of constant critisism I found myself saying the first "Great Job" to the entire raid the other night.Afterwards there was nothing but silence for about 15 seconds due to stunned/mesmerized people. I'd never noticed this but it really made me think about how people have evolved from subpar players that no tier 5 raiding guild would even take to marvelous players I have to beat sunwell guilds off of. I've finally beaten that "Survive" mechanic into the minds of this guild.