Nurru:
Originally Posted by Nurru
Season 3 went live on November 13th. That's roughly 24 weeks thus far, meaning that if a team was sitting at 1600 rating in 3v3 (I'll use it as an average) then they should have ~9800 points by now. That's more than enough to have full Vengeful without even taking into account the point buying that so many lower ranked players took part in. Why is it unfair to see s3 gear in the 1600 bracket? Do you even think before you complain?
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I think you misread it is not the 4 pc Vengful I have a problem with, I have that and I expect my opponants to have that, at 1800 I expect my opponants to have the weapons, but shoulders as well shows they are capable of pushing another 150 points higher and yet I see these teams down in the 1600, it's not the gear as shoulders give you a rather small upgrade it's the fact this team is obviously much better than you to the extent that they are probably higher than 2k, and should not be in the 1600. I'm not sure whats so hard to understand, it's like having Kel'Thuzad on farm and still rushing to claim every green dragon back in the day, you're not meant to be there.
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I recently switched my priest to Holy for arena and getting full season 1 and a mix of Veteran's / Vindicator gear wasn't hard at all. They've added many mechanisms to the game since BC came out by which to begin gearing for arena. Run Karazhan/Gruul/Mag for tokens, spend badges on Veteran's pieces, do the daily heroic for easy honor.
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As a holy priest you'll only be wanting the Shroud from badges, you can get vindicators from Mags/Gruuls if you guild is willing to carry you there or even go back, my guild is fairly casual and even we have dropped gruul months ago, mags is the only real option you listed that is viable. So you're still sitting in BG's for hours on end, if you have hours this is fine, alot of people do not or just cannot spend another 3 months in Av etc. And please tell me which heroic daily gives honor?
Stuck:
I never once said outgear in my post, I said outplayed because that's what I get when I fight 2k rated teams who clearly should be in a bracket 200-400 points higher. The gear argument is valid for melee classes, what you said there "If you can't get to 1850 for your weapon(s) in 4/5 S3, then....you know the drill" this is true in 4pc vengful you should be able to get weapons, so how does a new person do this? They sit in BG's for their offsets and S1 for 3 months, while getting 1400 rated points, when they finally have some sembalance of decent gear they go into a system where to progress past 1650 they must beat people who are 2k rated? Nice system. Though we are in agreement on the BG's, currently horribly implemented and of no fun at all, but that's another thread.
Most people who have level a new alt and say "It;s easy" do it with a S3 partner who can carry them, I played my shaman sporting of the eagle greens and got him to 1680 with a warrior because "Lolwindfury" and some decent gear on my friend allowed it, try starting a team with both players in S1 or below and not having any outside help and you'll get a taste of the real arena system.