Elitist Jerks - View Single Post - Feral talents/abilities

blackmatt · 06/07/08, 12:27 AM

I'm still not sure what you're getting at, to be honest.

You keep comparing balance druids using feral abilities to fire mages using frost/arcane abilities, but don't you already do that? Don't you switch to travel form just as often as a mage blinks? Or go Bear to bash as often as a mage uses frost nova? Don't you switch to cat to prowl while you're soloing or pvp-ing? Just because you don't use the feral abilities doesn't mean that it's a fundamental design flaw, that's like saying a full fire mage should have reason to use arcane missiles over fireball or something.

Also, in comparing a mage using a different school of magic to a moonkin using melee abilities in feral forms is apples and oranges. So called "pure" classes using different schools are just using different variations of the same things. A fireball is the same as a frostbolt, it just depends on which school the mage puts their talents in as to which one is their primary nuke. You can't compare a wrath to a claw with the same expectations because they are nothing alike. What you're implying is more akin to expecting mages to have some increased utility from whacking things with melee attacks, and I think we can all agree that is completely ridiculous in terms of the design of the class.

But anyway, this is all veering way off topic, so I'll end my post with a question about the talent trees. I'm trying to decide which talents are worth sacrificing for a raiding build with the expectation that a feral's role in raids at 80 will be the same as it is now: excellent off-tank, very capable main tank if necessary or if the fight caters to more physical mitigation, and good dps in cat. I think I've figured out how to work in 2/5 feral aggression, 2/2 master shapeshifter, king of the jungle, primal precision, and primal aggression without sacrificing too much:

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But if infected wounds works in pve, I have no idea where to get those three points. Any ideas?

06/07/08, 12:27 AM	#114 (permalink)
blackmatt Glass Joe blackmatt Night Elf Druid <Riven> Firetree	I'm still not sure what you're getting at, to be honest. You keep comparing balance druids using feral abilities to fire mages using frost/arcane abilities, but don't you already do that? Don't you switch to travel form just as often as a mage blinks? Or go Bear to bash as often as a mage uses frost nova? Don't you switch to cat to prowl while you're soloing or pvp-ing? Just because you don't use the feral abilities doesn't mean that it's a fundamental design flaw, that's like saying a full fire mage should have reason to use arcane missiles over fireball or something. Also, in comparing a mage using a different school of magic to a moonkin using melee abilities in feral forms is apples and oranges. So called "pure" classes using different schools are just using different variations of the same things. A fireball is the same as a frostbolt, it just depends on which school the mage puts their talents in as to which one is their primary nuke. You can't compare a wrath to a claw with the same expectations because they are nothing alike. What you're implying is more akin to expecting mages to have some increased utility from whacking things with melee attacks, and I think we can all agree that is completely ridiculous in terms of the design of the class. But anyway, this is all veering way off topic, so I'll end my post with a question about the talent trees. I'm trying to decide which talents are worth sacrificing for a raiding build with the expectation that a feral's role in raids at 80 will be the same as it is now: excellent off-tank, very capable main tank if necessary or if the fight caters to more physical mitigation, and good dps in cat. I think I've figured out how to work in 2/5 feral aggression, 2/2 master shapeshifter, king of the jungle, primal precision, and primal aggression without sacrificing too much: (link) But if infected wounds works in pve, I have no idea where to get those three points. Any ideas? Last edited by blackmatt : 06/07/08 at 11:21 PM.