Originally Posted by Zaniel
If you consider to disregard or ignore valid counterpoints, I'd say there is no reason to continue the so-called argument at all. See the previous post regarding Kael (T5) vs. Rage (T6), and try to say with a straight face that Rage is the harder fight.
Also, with the right players you can get Illidan dead with players running around in T4 (though perhaps not full). I was still using the 2pc when we got Illidan. Then again, I am a rogue, and our 2pc T4 was crazy.
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Instead of comparing a "gimme" fight to a dungeon cap boss why not compare two bosses in the same position. Kael versus Illidan. Magtheridon (pre-nerf) versus Vashj. If you want to compare easy bosses look at Winterloot versus Void Reaver.
Winterloot was specifically designed to give you free loot as a reward for beating Kael (just like Void Reaver was specifically designed for free loot after going through the shitstorm that was TK atunement), I don't think its of particular value to the discussion.
And we're not talking about "oh I was wearing a few pieces of kara gear on Illidan". We're talking about
full raid full tier below. You don't have other items filling in the slots, you have everyone 10 ilevels or more below that instance. There is nothing else to wear. They will have to be tuned easier or else it will be impossible for anyone except the 25-man raiders to do it (which I think Blizzard is trying to avoid).