That itemization problem partially comes from druids wanting a wide range of items. Cat form dps, bear tanking, healing and moonkin. BWL and AQ40 were ridiculous with so many various druid drops that other classes started to get sick of it. What you fail to see is that druids were designed as a healing class. Other classes can spec for other stuff. How much purely elemental/enhancement gear have shamans been able to obtain in the past? How did raiding shadowpriests get their stuff?
Answer: They could pick up very few, non class based, rare drops that usually did not even suit their spec all that well. If anything, druids have been prioritized by itemization.

As it is, the druid talents are way overpowered, allowing them to tank as good as a warrior and dps as good as a rogue with the same spec while healing as good as priests with the right spec. And read 'as good' as 'generally better' here, I just don't want to start a totally new discussion. I only do PvE so it does not really matter all that much to me as in the end, my raid gets nerfed as well by druids being less powerful.

However I really can't stand pathetic whining by a class that happened to be the best class to play for a while and will continue to be very strong. You are complaining about being nerfed as MTs, while you are forgetting that druids are hybrid. you 'can' tank in the right situation, you are NOT supposed to excel at it.

The 15 minutes of druids doing whatever they are specced for better then the class thats intended to do it are finally over, it lasted long enough imho. With the current gear situation bears will still tank as good as warriors, being worse in some fights and better in others. Druid does not translate to 'Superman' and it's really time to accept that.

From that post it seems like you clicked the wrong link and ment to share it on the WoW General boards or something rather than here.

Fair enough I agree somewhat that Prot warriors should be better at tanking in general due to the fact a full prot spec warrior is moderatly gimped for grinding/dps, whereas the same is not true for a Feral Druid.
Blizzard are strugling to limit the incredible amount of threat Druids can create compared to warriors and after one method does not work instead of resetting it and trying a different method they simply stacked it on heavier.
Cat DPS however is slightly too strong but this is mainly due to itemization being poor for other melee classes in comparison currently and there being more emphasis on yellow damage over pure sustained DPS encounters.

Perhaps take off your rose coloured glasses and aknowledge things beyond their impact vs you.
Druids will never match the style of healing generated by Priests, if anything you should be whining at Paladins for that who are somewhat superior in certain aspects (MT healing) and weaker in others (AoE healing).
Your trying to compare the healing alternative of Affliction Locs vs Fire Mages.

I deeply apologize for trying to have fun with my class kaib. I did not realize how offensive it must be to actually want improvements for my play style. I regret having fun being just like the other classes.

I will shuffle my way to the back of the bus, and never again attempt to drink from the same water as the superior classes. I have seen the error of my ways.

I haven't seen much "pathetic whining".

This board is generally a bunch of min-max raiders. If Druids could not heal as well as other classes, tank as well, or DPS as well, a token number would be brought to raids.

The same thing happened in Naxx with Hunters and Warlocks. Neither class could put up the damage numbers of other classes. Some guilds here may have actively replaced them. With our guild, we brought who we had, but did not recruit these classes as actively. The result was some raids where we had 2-3 Warlocks and 2-3 Hunters.

If Blizzard does things right, a Druid/Paladin/Warrior with appropriate gear should be able to generate a reasonably equivalent amount of single target threat and should be able to mitigate/avoid damage at a similar level. If there is a clear difference on these points, then one of the classes will do the job, and the other won't.

For a Druid to mitigate a hit as well as a Warrior or Paladin, they need more armor and more health. Druids don't have defensive stance, and they cannot avoid crushing blows. If Druids (and Paladins) are not able to do this, they won't tank. And then, what's the point of the spec?

Outside of that, the "bag of tricks" for a spec should probably give a Warrior some advantages, and they do.

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It CAN be disappointing to read something like this in the patch notes (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patch...atchnotes.html)

"The multiplier on base weapon damage for "Mangle (Bear)" ability has been changed from 130% to 100%. In addition, the bonus damage has been reduced by the same ratio."

When the tooltip for Mangle(bear) has read "Mangle the target for 156% normal damage plus 281..." since at least December in beta.

I hope that didn't qualify as pathetic whining.

This thread is terrible.