I can confirm the netherblade changes. He obviously didn't list sockets (and some of them changed), but they did actually manage to make shoulders worse. Does anyone know if Bladed Shoulderpads of the Merciless were nerfed?

The crit loss on the helm sucks. Before T3->T4 was a really nice AP upgrade without hurting me too much in any one area but now it's like a full 2% crit loss migrating over. Ouch.

Here's a SS of the changed t4:
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6...erbladeic6.jpg

Havent seen these posted yet:

Warpscale leggings (the nice rogue ones from warp splinter) had their 21 crit rating turned into dodge rating (huge nerf)
Wrathfire Handcannon (my favourite gun from shadow lab) lost 10 ap and 5 CR bringing it to 10 CR/30 AP (Mark V throwing star is the same though)

Kara gear:
No change to bracers of maliciousness (the ones off Maiden)
No change to Rapscallion boots (Aran)
No change to girdle of treachery (Chess)
No change to ring of a thousand marks (Prince), violet signets are the same too.

That netherblade helm change hurts ><

Also was just testing Romeo's Poison Vial outside of Shatrath, it's still awful, was less than 1% of my damage for 10 min or so while I grinding some humanoids.

I dont understand why they want to completly remove crit rating from all rogue gear, the rating system was ment to help allow for slight adjustments to be added rather than simply "+1/2/3% crit chance" and they seem to be thinking "heck if we add 10 crit rating now, the top level gear will have to have 30 to be an upgrade! lets remove it all" or something

The shoulders aren't really nerfed too much, are they? They lose 21 crit rating but pick up 16 agility. According to the DPS spreadsheet for my gear/build, 1 crit rating = .71 agility, and .71 * 21 = 14.91 which is less than the 16 agility they added (along with the dodge). Also, agility scales with buffs.

The good news is that the 2.0.10 version of the Netherblade shoulders show up as a .20 DPS increase over the previous version. The bad news is that both versions are 10 DPS lower than the ilevel 88 Mantle of the Dusk-Dweller from the Blood Furnace that I've been wearing since level 61. I assumed that the Dusk-Dweller would be nerfed as well but they appear unchanged on the PTR. 2 red sockets aside, it seems ridiculous that the level 61 blue has +20 Agi +13 Hit +40 AP and the tier 4 have +16 Agi and +44 AP.

True, I didn't really look at them very hard. I'd still use Kara shoulders over them any day of the week provided they weren't nerfed into the ground.

Mage Tier 5 Buffs

Helm
+2crit
+4dmg

Gloves
unchanged

Legs
unchanged

Shoulder
+3stam
+2hit

Robes
+4crit
+2dmg

Sockets unchanged. So not a bad little boost, I guess. Tier 4 unchanged from what I can tell.

Wierd, I don't experience that issue. On live and test they give the proper stats for me. In addition Felboar Hide shoes are arguably better than Rapscallion, and their stats are unchanged on test.

nvm.

Surely the spreadsheet valuation of crit rating is wrong? provided that now 1crit is about 49 agility rather than 27, and also taking into consideration how very rare crit rating is on items currently too.

The .71agil = 1 rating assuming 14.91 agility for 21 crit rating seems to be "half ap, half crit" via agility, to compensate now surely it must be something like 25agility = 21crit rating = 1.19agil per crit rating or so.

Sorry if im completly wrong as ive not been in the rogue loop since TBC started and the spreadsheets have been completly updated/tested.

I know someone already made the comparison, but still:

New Netherblade Facemask
23 agi
33 stam
10 hit rating
70 AP
1 red socket + 1 meta socket

Helm of the Claw (level 67 quest reward)
25 agi
21 stam
14 hit rating
66 AP
1 yellow socket + 1 meta socket

Helm of the Claw -> Netherblade
-2 agi
+12 stam
-4 hit rating
+4 AP

Except for the stamina, that is now a downgrade. Something seems wrong here.

I must admit I was hoping for a change in Tier 4 SHaman resto gear, the gear available in Kara is too similar in stats. I guess its a good thing because it allows some of the Drae Shaman a chance to gear up Resto (and I personally am just passing it for the rogues that are generally in my raid). Meh oh well. If you dont know what i mean

Compare

Cyclone Shoulderpads and Gauntlets to

Dragon-Quake Shoulderpads and Gloves of the Centering

That's something most classes have at the moment apparantly. Seems alot of people will be stuck in blues until Hyjal/BT. I was hoping they'd re-evaluate their current Karazhan & Tier items to make them at least better than what you get in Heroics/lvl 70 instances right now, but as far as I can see not that many changes will occur except for some relocation of stats which wont change much.

Priest gear seems unchanged, at least my mooncloth + whitemend sets are not altered in any way. I checked all the gear I had and saw zero changed on any, including some blues I consider overpowered, like Brooch of Heightened Potential.

Any updates on the warlock gear ? T4/T5, Frozen Shadoweave set, Girdle of Ruination ?

"Minor changes to Corruptor(t5):
Hood: +3 stam, +2 spell hit, +3 damage
Mantle: +2 crit, +3 damage
Robe: +3 stam, +2 int, +2 crit"

Cant quite find where but I recall Girdle of Ruination had about 2spell damage 1crit rating nerf or something akin to that

Glad I ended up putting a 90g enchant and an epic gem in my Netherblade Helm, sigh.

Anyways, anyone know if they changed Marksman's Bow (from Thrallmar exalted)?

None of the Malorne pieces were changed at all, for anyone that was interested.

/sadpanda

While that in itself isnt a huge concern of mine, has the T5 been buffed in any form? the set which I felt was inferior to T4 in almost every slot

Druid Tier 4 was same from my quick glance though all of Tier 5 changed slightly that had sockets as expected.

Druid T5
Balance Set
Chest - +2 Spi +2 Spl Dmg +2 Spell Crit
Helm - +6 sta +2 Spell Crit
Shoulders - +3 Sta +3 Spl Dmg

Feral Set
Chest - +2 Str +6 Sta
Helm - +4 Agi +3 Sta
Shoulders - +2 Str +2 Spi

Healing Set
Chest - +4 Spi +4 Healing
Helm - +6 Sta +2 Spi
Shoulders - +3 Sta +4 Healing

I dont suppose they made Ironstriders of Urgency any better?

Any word on Beastmaw Pauldrons or Exotic Spiked Shoulders? The green shoulders used to be as good as Tier 4 ><