Their fireballs hit for 1500 if I remember correctly... pretty significant damage.

I think it's more of an issue that they couldn't fix dragonbreath triggering flamewreath, which was one of the things that truly is random about the encounter. Not much someone can do if one of the melee gets targeted with flamewreath and then gets dragonbreathed and walks over it.. and it does happen unfortunately.

I think the dragonbreath triggering flamewreath and the blizzard+flamewreath (bliz not dispeling) are the two only real uncontrolled things in the fight. Those are the 'random' things I was crying about. Otherwise the fight is fine.. his damage is fine, the elementals are fine, everything else is ok, it's just those elements that make it buggy imo.

DPS'ing Aran is not really the difficult part of the fight though. I guess it would turn a near wipe into a kill, but if you've got the elementals under control, he doesn't have a whole heapload of hp. I may play around with it next week though just for fun, if we have a warlock who can keep it on stay...

Yeah, it's not something I'd suggest if you're still learning the fight by any stretch. It's just something fun to tool around with if you feel like it.

Now I want to try Aran with 2 elemental shamans, a resto shaman, and 7 affliction warlocks.

*Sigh*

Please stop repeating this lie. It's tiresome having to counter this every few days.

/shrug

My experience with this encounter had said otherwise anyway. Maybe we just got lucky.

How often are you in melee range and on top of the aggro list?

I was on my warrior alt, and he was in melee range all the time.

I didn't check aggro list though, hmm, maybe I should look at that.

I'm sorry to dig up an old thread but we're having some issues with this fight (despite having killed him several times before). How much do your warlocks tend to control the elementals on this fight? I've been banishing one, fearing one, and then going back to DPS-ing Aran while some tanks get some aggro on the other two. However, our tanks often end up dying to the elementals. Should I just focus on keeping CC/Curse of Tongues up and ignore Aran until they despawn?

Do you mean you're just leaving them after one fear/banish?

Curse of Tongues is pretty painless to put up...CoT on two, banish one constantly, keep one feared constantly, think about assist-training down one elemental to reduce incoming damage. And wait 'til after he uses a special to bring them up. Works for us.

Well, if you interrupt him, he'll start casting another spell faster? Meaning he burns mana faster.

I interrupt it when needed, mostly when his target is low on health. Saw lot of people dying in Blizzard with Arcane Missiles on them :> But it also depends on how much mana Aran has and the number of interrupts in our group, can't pummel AM when he's low on mana and we're only 2 warriors for example.

Im not quite sure what you meant with this :P. I was saying "don't interupt him".

I can't see any reason to interupt AM's other than if his current target's health is crucial and that person is going to die from the arcane missiles. But given you allready interupted the previous spells(fireball and frostbolt), he will not cast any other spells atleast untill the silence-effect wears off.

CC/Curse of Tongues adds and dot Aran. Warlock dps is way behind melee dps in this fight anyway, so it's not like you could make a difference by going all out to Aran and ignoring adds.

Your warriors, priests and paladins should help with cc. HoJ and AoE fears help healers quite a lot too.

Man, I didn't even think about Curse of Tongues, shame on me :>

Thx for the tip

I find the same. It's during the elementals that we're most likely to have someone trigger flame wreath, or get hit by arcane explosion. Even if those people aren't the ones who have to work on CCing the elementals.

Elementals come out and it's a sort of panic situation and it takes a while for people to settle back down.

Honestly I'm not entirely certain. I think a large part of it is just people panicking in the chaos when the elementals spawn, but I know at least one of our warriors kept dying to elemental bolts.

Well, if the warrior is popping deathwish and/or recklessness in berserker stance, they're going to take a lot more damage than anyone else in the raid. I generally think it's a bad idea to taunt them and try to "tank" them in dps gear, particularly when you consider that the raid loses an interruptor and executes when you do it. If they come near me, I'll fear them or hit them with concussion blow, but that's about it.

Most of these were hot fixed in over a month ago, blizzard just includes them in the patch notes for completeness. The only exception that I'm aware of is the Dragon's Breath.

CoT those adds and keep it up. It's a huge bonus and really allows healers to out-heal the frostbolts while still dealing with the abundance of damage being spilled across the board.

I second the theory that the elementals are usually more of a chaotic "oh god here we go again" moment, than an actual danger that they pose. It took me 10 minutes of convincing my raid that the elementals were not what wiped us twice in a row; but rather someone tripping a flamewreath. Lots of people panic when there's this much happening in the room, and when it takes 1 person to wipe the fight ... well, it's a tough gig to get everyone to keep a level head. Sometimes we'd have people take heroic actions and try to tank the water elementals or "assist in CC'ing the elementals", but often times I'd find my feared target suddenly stunned or some useless CC hitting my banishes.

In the end I told everyone to not even pay attention to the elementals, and that I would handle them as the raid warlock. After much stressing of this, we took Aran down with focused efforst.

No. Our most recent Aran raid (last Thursday), we had pets tripping flame wreath. We parsed the combat logs, and even found snake trips had tripped flame wreaths. We eventually had our BM hunter stick his pet OUTSIDE the door.

I have yet to see my displaced Imp trip a flame wreath though.