Paladin Protection Itemization Feedback - Page 10

• Chicken · 04/16/07, 6:33 PM

Originally Posted by Mongoe

I fully endorse sending Blizzard tangible examples of the inefficiency of our tier sets.

That being said, I would be very curious to see this test run with a Paladin in the generic pieces from Kara (Mantle of Abrahamis, Panzat'Thar BP etc)as opposed to the t4 pieces of shiny dung. I imagine it should follow very closely to your Paladin in warrior gear, but hard numbers are always nice.

The 'Hybrid' pieces listed in Theras tests are items like the Mantle of Abrahmis etc.

Paladin gear: T4
Hybrid gear: The random assorted pieces
Warrior gear: Warrior T4

Schadenfrued · 04/17/07, 9:28 AM

Accoring to the spreadsheet, the hybrid gear is a mix of Crystalforge and less spell damage plate in the off slots:

[Crystalforge Faceguard]
[Barbed Choker of Discipline]
[Crystalforge Shoulderguards]
[Gilded Thorium Cloak]
[Crystalforge Chestguard]
[Bracers of the Green Fortress]
[Crystalforge Handguards]
[Crystal Girdle of the Indomitable]
[Crystalforge Legguards]
[Battlescar Boots]

More tank friendly than the Paladin set, but not with the assorted plan B tank items like Irong Gauntlets of the Maiden. The stats on the spreadsheet also show the Tier4 slots to have the same stats (spell damage etc) as the Paladin gear, so I don't think it was just a naming copy/paste error.

PsiVen · 04/17/07, 5:08 PM

I'm curious to see the results given that more hybrid tanking gear has shown up on the PTR, plus some warrior gear that will have them losing some avoidance in favor of hit/etc.

I put the gear I'm wearing (or rather, would be wearing if I had enchants/gems) in this spreadsheet if you plan to do another round of tests.

For now I'm just sitting on my hands until they fix SA

Theras · 04/17/07, 5:11 PM

I'd been meaning to update the sheets with more "modern" gear, as well as test the entire off-set Warrior tanking 'set' as a fourth separate test, but I've been a bit busy lately. I've been:

1) Helping our new Paladin recruits gear up.
2) Organizing my honeymoon in a week and a half.
3) Leveling up my Hunter as a 'Plan B' in case 2.1.0 goes south on us.

I'll try to have something concrete by tomorrow afternoon.

Errant · 04/20/07, 6:39 PM

Care to run this again with the Tier 6 values?
Paladin:
http://www.worldofraids.com/news/paladin_T6_stats.jpg
Warrior:
http://www.worldofraids.com/news/war...k_T6_stats.jpg

I admit, I attempted it, but... I Fail at excel. =(

Theras · 04/21/07, 2:35 PM

I think I've finished up the top of the line Tier 5 sets, and have gotten some preliminary tests done on Tier 6. I don't have time for much of a summary for you (since I'm exhausted), but here is a link to the spreadsheet.

Some key points I picked out:

Tier 5 Protection Paladins are still about even keel with Arms Warriors in their own equipment, though our incoming damage curve is not susceptible to spikes making us the clear choice.
Tier 6 Protection Paladins are very competitive with comparably geared Protection Warriors, and bury Arms Warriors. Given what we know about Illidan (he's a dual wielding demon) we may yet see a Protection Paladin being the tank of choice for the final encounter in the Burning Crusade.
Modifying Ardent Defender to not be leapfroggable would make Paladins the clear tank of choice in nearly all situations, period. That's unacceptable, so we can scrap that idea.
You no longer need a Libram of Repentance in a Tier 5 suit and onwards.

Personally, I can live with that. I'm still a little burned up that the Tier 4 level of equipment involves opening up Excel every time I consider an item upgrade, but thankfully that phase will pass once you're into Serpentshrine and you can pick up items like a normal person.