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Old 03/07/07, 4:13 AM   #1
starsin
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Possible change to consumables?

first of all i'm using the german client and therefore i discovered some strange and new things at least for me in the description of some items, especially for consumables. for example the caster meta gem that got changed from "2% chance that next cast is an instant cast" to "5% chance -50% cast time next spell" always had the newer description for me, that means it was "5% chance -50% casttime next spell" since weeks at least for me. other players that use the german client had the correct description. but this is only an example of some weird things.

however, coming to consumables, a few days ago i've noticed that the description of consumbles (esp. elixiers) was changed. all elixiers are now categorized. elixiers like adepts, insane strength, heal power, ... are called "kampfelixier" (=engl: combat elixir). elixiers like the 120 hp elixir, major defense, resistance pots (not sure about that one), ... are called "wächterelixier" (engl: guardian elixir). they all got their category in the description, at least for me.

i think like with the gems meta gem i mentioned earlier, it's a change that will come with one of the next content patches and it looks like blizz will solve the problem of the massive consumable use with this categories allowing only one elixir of each category to be used at the same time. if requested i will upload some screenshots when i'm back at home.

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Old 03/07/07, 4:20 AM   #2
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There was a Blue Post recently stating they are planning on changing how potions work. I am sure that a Blue Post will again be made soon explaining what these new classifications hold for us in the future.

I will be happy if it allows people to spend more time playing the game than farming for gold / herbs etc.

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Old 03/07/07, 4:28 AM   #3
Saens
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Looks to me like they're going to prevent potions from the same category to be used at the same time. Just a wild guess.

Do, for instance, Flask of Mighty Restoration and Mageblood potion share the same category?

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Old 03/07/07, 5:20 AM   #4
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This is really good news.

It means they can tune encounters to be beatable by much smaller consumeable use.

We spend less time farming, also our actual gear makes a bigger difference than how many pots we can chug. All in all, about time.

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Old 03/07/07, 5:24 AM   #5
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Do you have any item information enhancing addon? none of my potions have any extra category on them nor have i found elsewhere about this.

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Old 03/07/07, 5:38 AM   #6
starsin
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no, even with all addons disabled i still see the categories and like i said, i asked other people using the german client and some of them don't have them, too.

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Old 03/07/07, 5:46 AM   #7
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Not to sound like I doubt you, but could you perhaps upload a screenshot with a few examples of it please?

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Old 03/07/07, 5:57 AM   #8
norg
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Without changes to chain-chugging or the power of Flasks, such a measure will only go so far in limiting the need for consumables. Hopefully if they are changing the way pot buffs stack, Blizzard will look at those two issues as well.

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Old 03/07/07, 6:05 AM   #9
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This makes me a bit worried. If we get 3-4 pots cathegories which you can fill, you can be pretty sure that one of them will remain the flask slot. And because you will be limited in the other slots, everyone will be "forced" to use flask to be max buffed for buffs heavy encounter. In the end, this could mean less potions overall but more flasks.

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Old 03/07/07, 6:17 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Venomia View Post
This makes me a bit worried. If we get 3-4 pots cathegories which you can fill, you can be pretty sure that one of them will remain the flask slot. And because you will be limited in the other slots, everyone will be "forced" to use flask to be max buffed for buffs heavy encounter. In the end, this could mean less potions overall but more flasks.
good thing then atleast for a healer that flasks are one of the easier buffs. in 2h of wipes keeping up one of the new mageblood pots is surely a bigger cost than keeping up a flask of restoration.

sounds too good to be true but this is exactly what most people are asking for.

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Old 03/07/07, 6:28 AM   #11
suicuique
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Originally Posted by Jo_ View Post
good thing then atleast for a healer that flasks are one of the easier buffs. in 2h of wipes keeping up one of the new mageblood pots is surely a bigger cost than keeping up a flask of restoration.
Not if everyone is doing that.
Note that manathistle is quite limited in supply and you need 10 for every flask.
At the moment 10 cen be bought for ca 50G on our Server. That cost is in for a rise ... for sure.

And keep in mind that dreaming glory is a dime a dozen, but teracone is waaaay rarer. You need 20 of these for the melee flask. And a stack is at 45g at the moment.

Im not euphoric when i think of flask costs of more than 100g on our server. And I'm not sure how that would drive the consumable cost down.

Fact is, NOW many people do not even consider flasks (because there are many ways to pot and flask are often considered overkill)... when there is no other route to go, they will.

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Old 03/07/07, 6:31 AM   #12
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Let us hope they dont add new potion cathegories in the next patches then

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Old 03/07/07, 6:40 AM   #13
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I chain-use Superior mana oils on any fight where I consider my mana to be lacking in general, and save my mageblood only for fights where I feel its absolutly needed, and aside from Illhoof I cant really think where my mana issues are that bad and require it.

I even buy the 5g/stack Major Mana pots for most fights as the tiny gain from using the super (expensive) version is mostly not needed.

As a healer the consumable use is not bad in most cases, and I dont think I will ever -need- a Flask of Mighty Restoration, despite how much I drooled over it when I first saw it.

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Old 03/07/07, 6:57 AM   #14
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Well assuming this is true, it's certainly a step in right direction. Potion categories would somewhat limit the issues of massive consumable stacking required for some bosses as long as pots from different categories don't stack. However, encounters would need to take such a change into consideration.

As for healer mana, since there are encounters that actually require a percentage of overhealing on tanks to be on the "safe side", so to speak, I would personally appreciate anything that would ease the strain of having to fully repot after the odd wipe.

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Old 03/07/07, 7:06 AM   #15
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sounds too good to be true but this is exactly what most people are asking for.
It's a step in the right direction of course but I'll be very disappointed and would probably quit the raidgame a few months down the line if this is the only change they make to the consumable issue.


Flask
Chainining potions
2+ elixirs at a time

Sure, that amounts to a minor improvement but it still means well beyond 100g/hour when going all out, which is the only time when this change will even make an impact.

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