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07/06/10, 6:19 PM
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#31
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Great Tiger
Duilliath
Night Elf Druid
No WoW Account (EU)
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Exactly that. It seems their new vision is to supplant Facebook. In an incredibly daft way (handing out email + rl name to 'random strangers' -queue dramatic emphasis- is not the most smart of things to do on the internet), but still. 400 pages of complaints in 6 hours of time won't do anything to stop this, I fear.
Actually read a response in the over 300 pages of the thread on the officials that really made me smirk, as it shows how people have started to regard Blizzard since their Activision adventurers: "Just wait, soon they'll offer a $15 programme where you can post without your real name showing again".
Last edited by Duilliath : 07/06/10 at 6:20 PM.
Reason: // didn't need a quote for that.
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Ignorance can be solved with a book. Stupidity requires a shotgun and a shovel.
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07/06/10, 6:24 PM
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#32
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Von Kaiser
Orc Hunter
Dragonblight (EU)
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What do people make of the quote below from Bashiok
One important point which I don't believe has been relayed yet is that the switch to showing RealID on the forums will only happen with the new forum systems we're launching for StarCraft II shortly before its release, and a new forum system for World of Warcraft launching shortly before the release of Cataclysm.
All posts here on the current World of Warcraft forums, or any of our classic Battle.net forums, will remain as-is. They won't (and can't) automatically switch to showing a real first and last name.
All posts in the future on the new forum systems will be an opt-in choice and ample warning will be given that you're posting with your real first and last name.
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My bold for emphasis.
I optimistically read that as I don't have to share my name, and I will be warned in case I forget I have set it to show.
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07/06/10, 6:27 PM
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#33
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Great Tiger
Duilliath
Night Elf Druid
No WoW Account (EU)
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I think you are misreading it.
You opt-in to post. And reveal your name. If you do not opt-in, you do not get to post.
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Ignorance can be solved with a book. Stupidity requires a shotgun and a shovel.
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07/06/10, 6:29 PM
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#34
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Ufthak
What do people make of the quote below from Bashiok
My bold for emphasis.
I optimistically read that as I don't have to share my name, and I will be warned in case I forget I have set it to show.
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He's not saying sharing your name while posting is optional, he's saying posting at all is optional, and you'll be warned that your first/last name will be there when you post.
Originally Posted by Duilliath
Exactly that. It seems their new vision is to supplant Facebook. In an incredibly daft way (handing out email + rl name to 'random strangers' -queue dramatic emphasis- is not the most smart of things to do on the internet), but still. 400 pages of complaints in 6 hours of time won't do anything to stop this, I fear.
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I don't see why they would want to 'supplant' Facebook. I would imagine one of their main goals with this is to get people to link their RealID profile on their Facebook(or whatever other social networking site), to potentially draw-in more customers, and make their games appear more mainstream. IE: " I can see some of my friends are playing WoW, maybe I should ask them about it/give it a try."
Last edited by Bonestorm : 07/06/10 at 6:38 PM.
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07/06/10, 6:41 PM
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#35
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Tyrian
It's not overreacting to then assume that, after those bizarre decisions: Real ID could soon apply to the armory, use of trade chat, and ultimately to your ingame character name. Sound outrageous? Maybe, but just a few hours ago many people would have also considered it equally outrageous that use of the official forums would require your real name too.
People are well within their rights to anticipate that things will continue to go from bad, to worse, to disastrous.
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I hadn't really considered the notion of Armory being linkable to my real name... but then again I had also never considered the notion that my forum posts could be linked to it either.
And that's just not a chance I can afford to take, as it could very well destroy my professional career.
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07/06/10, 6:50 PM
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#36
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Great Tiger
Troll Death Knight
Mal'Ganis
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This is obviously new ground for us and for you as well, but we want to make sure we're creating a great social-gaming service that people will want to use. We just want to make sure that if people are sharing feedback, that they keep it constructive, and yes, as I said, we are reading.
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Aren't posters making it rather clear that this particular feature makes them not want to use this network they have in mind? I hope they really do take the feedback into consideration instead of just plowing ahead like it sounds is their intent.
Moreover, it seems kind of sneaky to shoehorn in a social gaming network using WoW as a vehicle (officialy it's Starcraft 2, sure, but I think it's pretty obvious the main target is WoW's gigantic userbase). No one said "WoW needs a social network like Facebook!" (or maybe I'm wrong and someone posted it on the suggestion forums where it was quickly pushed off the front page). Instead they just sort of started telling us things about the new Battle.net 2.0 features that were going to be integrated into WoW as well, which quickly evolved into Facebook for games before anyone had time to blink. It all seems very slimy and underhanded and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Feels like corporate meddling.
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Uulwi ifis halahs gag erh'ongg w'ssh.
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07/06/10, 7:06 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by EasirokThunderpants
And that's just not a chance I can afford to take, as it could very well destroy my professional career.
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I've seen this objection from a number of people now, and I'm curious: what sorts of careers would be destroyed by someone finding out you played WoW? I'm not doubting that such a career exists, I'm just having trouble coming up with an example personally.
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07/06/10, 7:07 PM
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#38
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Warrior
Sargeras
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Originally Posted by Kaejin
Aren't posters making it rather clear that this particular feature makes them not want to use this network they have in mind? I hope they really do take the feedback into consideration instead of just plowing ahead like it sounds is their intent.
Moreover, it seems kind of sneaky to shoehorn in a social gaming network using WoW as a vehicle (officialy it's Starcraft 2, sure, but I think it's pretty obvious the main target is WoW's gigantic userbase). No one said "WoW needs a social network like Facebook!" (or maybe I'm wrong and someone posted it on the suggestion forums where it was quickly pushed off the front page). Instead they just sort of started telling us things about the new Battle.net 2.0 features that were going to be integrated into WoW as well, which quickly evolved into Facebook for games before anyone had time to blink. It all seems very slimy and underhanded and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Feels like corporate meddling.
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Because from a business stand-point it doesn't matter who doesn't want to use the service, it just matters who does, the people willing to use it are what they're going to focus on, and from those people they can attract more people and make more money.
A good example is that Celestial Steed, $25 for a mount is absolutely ridiculous, I could probably buy about 5 games off of Steam that are on sale for that amount, so I didn't get it, however there are a bunch of people who will happily shell out $25 for a mount, and the opportunity across 11 million subscribers for a huge profit is there.
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What is the most important thing to you? Won't you grant me the pleasure of taking it away.
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07/06/10, 7:13 PM
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#39
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Kaejin
Aren't posters making it rather clear that this particular feature makes them not want to use this network they have in mind? I hope they really do take the feedback into consideration instead of just plowing ahead like it sounds is their intent.
Moreover, it seems kind of sneaky to shoehorn in a social gaming network using WoW as a vehicle (officialy it's Starcraft 2, sure, but I think it's pretty obvious the main target is WoW's gigantic userbase). No one said "WoW needs a social network like Facebook!" (or maybe I'm wrong and someone posted it on the suggestion forums where it was quickly pushed off the front page). Instead they just sort of started telling us things about the new Battle.net 2.0 features that were going to be integrated into WoW as well, which quickly evolved into Facebook for games before anyone had time to blink. It all seems very slimy and underhanded and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Feels like corporate meddling.
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My suspicion is that a lot of the people who don't outright cancel their subscriptions and boycott Blizzard in disgust (which is the tone of a lot of the vitriol coming out of the community) will flee to non-official community sites like EJ/Shadowpriest.com/Maintankadin to get their gameplay support. The trolling on the official forums will die out, and in that case it'll be a success, but I think the sites that allow players to maintain a sense of anonymity will see a large increase in traffic as a result of this.
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07/06/10, 7:14 PM
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#40
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Von Kaiser
Goblin Hunter
Lightning's Blade
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This is actually pretty scary. It's not hard to find someone with the information lookups you can buy nowadays. Granted if you have a popular name it will be much harder, but the situation still exists. Overall a bad move by Blizzard.
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07/06/10, 7:21 PM
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Great Tiger
Duilliath
Night Elf Druid
No WoW Account (EU)
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Originally Posted by Emeraude
Because from a business stand-point it doesn't matter who doesn't want to use the service, it just matters who does, the people willing to use it are what they're going to focus on, and from those people they can attract more people and make more money.
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But isn't it exactly the people *posting* on the forums that are supposed to use this brand spanking new spiffy Blizzard toy? The silent majority that doesn't post... well, they didn't post to start with. As such, they fall out of the scope of implementing that change. Even MVPs are stating they do not appreciate that change and those are the ones that are using Blizzard's forums for its main purpose.
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Ignorance can be solved with a book. Stupidity requires a shotgun and a shovel.
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07/06/10, 7:21 PM
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#42
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Thorgrim
I've seen this objection from a number of people now, and I'm curious: what sorts of careers would be destroyed by someone finding out you played WoW? I'm not doubting that such a career exists, I'm just having trouble coming up with an example personally.
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Any career where the employee represents the seriousness and trustworthiness of the employer. Sales being one, law being another. For people in these fields, everything they post with their real names should be about their field, on well-known and well-respected blogs and review sites. If an employer _knows_ that their clients will Google representatives, they cannot hire someone who does not have a squeaky-clean and "serious" online image.
Heck, I was _almost_ found out because I had an article covering statistical analysis published in a online webmag. Was I proud at the time? Of course. But the webmag was about a hobby that is usually not considered "serious" or "professional." Good thing it was noticed after I was hired. In the competitive market I am in it could have sunk my chances.
And that was a published article with solid math and favorable feedback. Just think of standard PvP trashtalk or guild recruitment posts. Not a chance.
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Most employers want work-a-holics. They say they don't, because eventually their productivity suffers. But they do. For example, most employers, if they could get away with it, would discriminate against someone that was married and has children. Single guys won't complain about dental coverage, can stay later more often, won't be distracted because of XYZ home issue, whatever.
If an employer finds out that you have a hobby that you do for many hours each day, that is scheduled in such a way that it might interfere with working late, that _might_ occupy your time with non-work issues, well.... what do you think they would do? Unless they really want YOU and ONLY YOU, they will move to the next guy. They can't pry into your personal life in an interview - it's against the law. But they can google you.
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07/06/10, 7:27 PM
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Bald Bull
Dwarf Rogue
Scarlet Crusade
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Originally Posted by Thorgrim
I've seen this objection from a number of people now, and I'm curious: what sorts of careers would be destroyed by someone finding out you played WoW? I'm not doubting that such a career exists, I'm just having trouble coming up with an example personally.
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Anyone working in a contract service industry. The most obvious of which is the legal industry but it could apply just about anywhere.
Let's pretend I'm a lawyer and I play WoW for fun on the weekends and post on the RP forums. Now anyone who uses search engines to look for a lawyer or check my references will see someone with my name posting as a drunken Dwarf hanging out in a bar. Do you want me to be your lawyer now?
And of course Antiphonal's edit.
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07/06/10, 7:30 PM
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#44
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King Hippo
Human Paladin
Bronze Dragonflight (EU)
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Originally Posted by Thorgrim
I've seen this objection from a number of people now, and I'm curious: what sorts of careers would be destroyed by someone finding out you played WoW? I'm not doubting that such a career exists, I'm just having trouble coming up with an example personally.
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It's not necessarily the nature of his career that would cause the ruination of it. If your employer finds out you've spent two hours a day posting on the Blizzard forums when you should have been working, I don't doubt that your ass wouldn't bounce before it was through the door. Certain comments are also inappropriate for certain jobs - stating that you'd do Miley Cyrus won't raise many eyebrows while everyone assumes you're a dumb teenager like half the WoW forumites are, but it isn't going to go down well if it comes out that you're 37 and teach high school. However, I can't think of a way in which anyone finding out you were posting on the WoW forums could jeopardise your career without it being your fault that it's in jeopardy.
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07/06/10, 7:37 PM
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#45
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Thorgrim
I've seen this objection from a number of people now, and I'm curious: what sorts of careers would be destroyed by someone finding out you played WoW? I'm not doubting that such a career exists, I'm just having trouble coming up with an example personally.
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Well here's a humor thread I made, associating the Twilight Cutter ability with Twilight and razor blades:
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Twilight Cutter! Omg! (Strat included!)
I'd never post that under my real name. I can't say it would "destroy" my career, but it could only cause harm.
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