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07/07/10, 6:21 AM
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#106
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Bald Bull
Dwarf Rogue
Scarlet Crusade
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Originally Posted by Ellyh
It's not whether it is easier to do outside of the game. It's the PR and clueless polititians with axes to grind the first time one of these things is PERCEIVED to have been facilitated by Blizzards real id policy or instigated online in a blizzard property. That also is enough to open them up to charges in many juridictions. Laws regarding the protection of minors are very stringent and are a real touchstone with the media who LOVE to whip up a scandal about youth being lead astray by evil corporations.
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Yup, it only has to happen once, or even appear to happen, and things will get ugly. It's one thing if you start out as a social network and add games (Facebook) but it's a whole different issue if you start out as a game (WoW) and then import a social network. There's a perception of bait and switch there when it comes to anonymity no matter how much notification Blizzard gives.
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07/07/10, 6:23 AM
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#107
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Don Flamenco
Human Hunter
The Maelstrom (EU)
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This is a very slippery slope that Blizzard is now walking on. The fact that they mention that this is just the first step makes it pretty clear that this will expand to the Armory and in-game in the future. I'm not one to fall for the "sky is falling" syndrome, but this could very well be the first step towards WoW and Blizzard losing its grip on the playerbase.
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07/07/10, 6:23 AM
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#108
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Nagrand (EU)
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Originally Posted by Kirion
Bullshit scaremongering, again. Everything that you would be able to do with RealID, you can do now. Besides, there are lots of much easier ways to do this besides lurking on online game forum. And don't get me started on how you can successfully use social engineering and NLP.
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No, because right now people can not match a 'name' with an 'in-game character'. Yes, everyone can take my name randomly from a phone book or whatever. But nobody can link my name to my character, and know it is me who "ninja'd that token" "declined my application" "kicked me out of that pug" and so on.
My real name is rather unique, if you google my name everything that shows up will be me (or my dad's wife, since we bare the same last name). Someone coming across my name because I'm friends with a friend of his via realID and he can see my name there... I am not happy with it, but I can live with that. Yes, random people will know that a person called "so and so" plays wow on some server. But that's pretty much the limit I can take. Having my name splashed on a forum, allowing everyone to actually connect my in-game character, my gaming schedule and everything, to my real person, that's something entirely different.
Taking this a bit to the extreme, I don't want my boss going "of course you're tired and useless today, been up playing wow at 5 am last night". And I definitely don't want an eventual future employer to google my name and come across a bunch of wow forum posts. Same as I don't want to worry when I get whispers like "omfg !@#$#@# noob you @#$$##ing ninja'd that from me, !@#@#$@ idiot, I'll find out where you live and come !@#@#ing blow your head off". Yes, chances are not huge that it will actually happen, but it's something that would make me feel uncomfortable, there's always the "what if..."
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07/07/10, 6:23 AM
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#109
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Never, Mags. Never!
Human Death Knight
Turalyon (EU)
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Originally Posted by Zaldinar
What confuses me is the lack of a vote thread. I bit a 72 hour official forum ban for a thread requesting a vote (obviously I knew exactly what I was doing and the likely ramifications of it).
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Because they don't want people to vote on something they know they would lose. It would be going to far to say that they don't care at all but that post was just an advance notice of what they are going to do with RealID. No discussion invited, just that: an advance notice.
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07/07/10, 6:24 AM
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#110
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Glass Joe
Draenei Priest
Scarshield Legion (EU)
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In my opinion there is no need for first and last names on battle.net for RealID.
The ID should be a username not a real name.
But i suppose most people will just go along with it and the 2% that complain ( and have the right to do so ) will be ignored.
Originally Posted by Kalya
Someone coming across my name because I'm friends with a friend of his via realID and he can see my name there... I am not happy with it,
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This is not possible, if you are in a conversation with a group of people anyone who is not on your friends list cannot see your real name, they can only see the current character that you are playing
Originally Posted by Kalya
Having my name splashed on a forum, allowing everyone to actually connect my in-game character, my gaming schedule and everything, to my real person, that's something entirely different.
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This may be quite a good thing if it forces people to take forum posting a lot more seriously.
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07/07/10, 6:28 AM
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#111
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Nagrand (EU)
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Originally Posted by Haaggis
But i suppose most people will just go along with it and the 2% that complain ( and have the right to do so ) will be ignored.
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There's a 944 (and counting) pages long thread of complaints on official wow forums, probably 1-2 pages more by the time I post this, that hardly qualifies as 2%. I don't remember ever seeing such a huge thread in such a short time.
Originally Posted by Haaggis
This is not possible, if you are in a conversation with a group of people anyone who is not on your friends list cannot see your real name, they can only see the current character that you are playing
This may be quite a good thing if it forces people to take forum posting a lot more seriously.
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Yes it is possible, if you right click the name of a friend of yours you can see his friends, and it will show their real names. Nothing else but a name, no char or server. Or at least it was like that last time I checked, which was 1-2 days after RealID was implemented.
And no, it is not a good thing, not at all. It would be a good thing if you could only use a unique handle for posting on the forums, as others stated above, hence not allowing 'troll accounts'. But my real name, no.
Last edited by Kalya : 07/07/10 at 6:32 AM.
Reason: Replying to post made while I was typing.
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07/07/10, 6:30 AM
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#112
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Death Knight
Kael'thas (EU)
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Edit: too slow, 3 people already said what I said...
The "2% that complain"? There are close to a thousand pages on the thread about this change, and if 2% is going to reflect any statistic, then it's the people happy about the change. Just read 100 random replies out of the 17,000+. The vast, vast majority of posters is revolted. I very strongly doubt people will just "go along with it".
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07/07/10, 6:32 AM
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#113
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Don Flamenco
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On future moves that may expand Real ID, Manditorily adding it to all armoury profiles and/or in-game WILL result in massive lawsuits based on bait and switch and while they might win in the US the odds are very bad in the EU, especially if it ends up in one of the supranational juristictions such as the European Court of Human Rights or they run afoul of the EU parliamentary machine. Just ask Microsoft how much fun it is getting on the wrong side of Brussels and they are a fully US company. As has been mentioned before Blizzard has very strong ties to France.
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07/07/10, 6:32 AM
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#114
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Glass Joe
Draenei Priest
Scarshield Legion (EU)
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Originally Posted by Kalya
There's a 944 (and counting) pages long thread of complaints on official wow forums, probably 1-2 pages more by the time I post this, that hardly qualifies as 2%. I don't remember ever seeing such a huge thread in such a short time.
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In comparison to the total number of accounts, >12 million im sure there won't be much more than 2% voicing their concerns ( 240,00) people.
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07/07/10, 6:35 AM
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#115
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Death Knight
Kael'thas (EU)
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That's not the point, Haaggis. The forum-goers may be a minority, but as of right now, they are 100% of the concerned playerbase, since this is a forum-only decision. And 950 pages of complaints in UNDER 48 HOURS is an absolute record. The entire WoW forum-users are overwhelmingly pissed off, and the day blizzard announces RealID will extend in a mandatory fashion beyond the forums, expect much, much more angry posts to hail on the boards.
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07/07/10, 6:39 AM
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#116
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Paladin
Draenor (EU)
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Originally Posted by Haaggis
This is not possible, if you are in a conversation with a group of people anyone who is not on your friends list cannot see your real name, they can only see the current character that you are playing
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Look at one of your friends in your RealID Friends list. You can see everyone they are friends with, first and last name.
On a side note, I hate tough internet warriors looking up personal information of people, posting it and pretending to stand on moral high ground by doing so. (like it happening with the Blizzard employee).
Also, I don't think the harassment will be anywhere near the level the fearmongers project. Even the biggest creeps think twice before signing a threat with their real name.
Disclaimer: I do not on any level agree with the proposed change itself. And I'm sad I feel the need to put a disclaimer in.
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God bless our good and gracious king,
Whose promise none relies on;
Who never said a foolish thing,
Nor ever did a wise one.
John Wilmot, 2nd Earl of Rochester
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07/07/10, 6:43 AM
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#117
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Paladin
Shadowsong (EU)
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Originally Posted by Ellyh
On future moves that may expand Real ID, Manditorily adding it to all armoury profiles and/or in-game WILL result in massive lawsuits based on bait and switch and while they might win in the US the odds are very bad in the EU, especially if it ends up in one of the supranational juristictions such as the European Court of Human Rights or they run afoul of the EU parliamentary machine. Just ask Microsoft how much fun it is getting on the wrong side of Brussels and they are a fully US company. As has been mentioned before Blizzard has very strong ties to France.
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On other hand, Chinese legislation is decidedly against Internet anonymity, and the majority of Blizzard players happen to be in that sector. Could there possibly be a link here?
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07/07/10, 6:43 AM
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#118
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Don Flamenco
Tauren Shaman
Deathwing (EU)
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Originally Posted by Belegûr
Edit: too slow, 3 people already said what I said...
The "2% that complain"? There are close to a thousand pages on the thread about this change, and if 2% is going to reflect any statistic, then it's the people happy about the change. Just read 100 random replies out of the 17,000+. The vast, vast majority of posters is revolted. I very strongly doubt people will just "go along with it".
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Go ahead. Name me one company of a significant size whose business suffered due to its treatment of people's private data.
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07/07/10, 6:44 AM
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#119
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Glass Joe
Draenei Priest
Scarshield Legion (EU)
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Originally Posted by Belegûr
That's not the point, Haaggis. The forum-goers may be a minority, but as of right now, they are 100% of the concerned playerbase, since this is a forum-only decision. And 950 pages of complaints in UNDER 48 HOURS is an absolute record. The entire WoW forum-users are overwhelmingly pissed off, and the day blizzard announces RealID will extend in a mandatory fashion beyond the forums, expect much, much more angry posts to hail on the boards.
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I do not agree or disagree with anyone's opinion as it is their own, but i would like to think that battle.net had a very good discussion over realID whilst implementing it. They must be well aware of previously having an account username to log in to wow.
The main thing i would like to know from battle.net is why they decided to use real names instead of using a username for the realID. They must have a reason and i for one would like to know what that is.
I also wouldn't mind them considering my login being changed back to a username rather than my email address.
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07/07/10, 6:46 AM
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#120
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Don Flamenco
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On other hand, Chinese legislation is decidedly against Internet anonymity, and the majority of Blizzard players happen to be in that sector. Could there possibly be a link here?
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Nevermind that wow-china is a mess that may never come back. The Chinese government will have access to all that detail by having an official wander down to the local service provider with a 100% legal court order for all the details on player XYZ. Hell if your local government enforcement agency (FBI etc) wanted to talk to you about a an illegal post you made they could do the same thing.
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