What's the difference in the chance of TC being resisted compaired to Sheild Slam being dodged/parries/missed? I usually save 100 rage at the end of stages so I have all my tools to pick them up at the start of the next. I usually stand between Romulo and the raid, queue up HS, and spam Shield slam. It's not that I have a problem getting those off, it's that having both not land does happen. TC isn't immune to being resisted.

It's not a huge issue. But when the fight is already hard for people just getting in Kara based off of multiple random elements, any of which a bad roll could wipe you, they add up fast.

This is a little (okay a lot) off topic, but the suggestion of using Curse of Weakness has come up multiple times.

Is CoW more effective than Imp. Demo shout? I am assuming they do not stack, and Imp Demo > CoW > Demo shout > Demo Roar, is this correct?

Our main tank says his DS overwrites CoW, but due to the large quantity of "use CoW" suggestions, I was wondering if I am missing something. As a Feral Druid and primary OT, this is extremely important as my Demo Roar is a Lite version of Demo Shout.

Thanks! And good luck on R&J. I would re-emphasize the importance of having a Warrior on Romulo. Disarm is just too good to ignore. The only exception would be if you are low on interrupts and need 1 more on Julianne. But in this case, your Druid better be very well geared.

My group ran into the new R&J last night.

Previously we had killed R&J two times. The first night took ~4 attempts and the second time we 2-shot due to a bad heal right before we killed one.

Tonight was an easy 1-shot. The most obvious change is that there is less damage taken across the entire raid. Tanking Romeo with a mostly-Karazhan tanking set was fairly easy. Even when our mage shouted that his spellsteal was resisted on Romulo, there wasn't a problem.

You still have to interrupt Julianne's heals. However, if you focus all interrupts on the heal and spread out the DPS, it's an easy encounter now.

If he manages to pop up behind you or lag interferes TC and Demo have a larger radius of effect and also work behind you. I usually do both though: opening with TS + Demo to get the initial aggro without having to target - turn - slam, then proceed with shieldslam, etc. Using TC, Demo and Shieldblock also prevents a bit (lot) of spikedamage so it also gives your healers a bit of slacktime (not everybody is as alert as they should be at spawns).

In short: it grabs aggro (semi)regardles of positioning and helps preventing oneshots. Hurray.

Your tank should definitely bloodrage at the start of each transistion, that should be enough aggro right there.

My guild is pretty much purely casual, and we just got R&J the first time last week. We gave it one shot before deciding to head over and try the maiden (who dropped with much less fuss). However the big damage hits I was taking as a tank against R&J due mainly to disorganized dispelling (something I plan on addressing next time) and his nasty poison strike left me wondering how much health a tank should be running for this event. I spent all my time pre BC as a dps class so I don't have a very good feel yet for what kind of gear I need to be running kara as a main tank.

And while this may be rendered moot point by the possible changes to R&J I'm still curious what a reasonable goal gear wise should be for kara if your guild isn't likely to be investing in flasks.

Based on this comment by Tigole from the official WOW forums: And personal experience with all three opera events, pre-nerf R&J was of a difficulty level of an encounter further into KZ, perhaps somewhere after Curator.

Even with all of that said, the opera events have been some of the most enjoyable encounters for me. Bravo to the developers for this one.

I'll just throw this in quick, might not be as important as after they were nerfed. Devotion + Blinding Passion was a real killer before, not anymore though.

Anyhow, the best option is to put all melee on Julianne and simply stop her blinding passions. Have ranged pile on Romulo, focus on getting him to 15% or so first. After that, everyone go on Julianne and aim on killing her. Balance DPS as they get low. It's not the fastest way of getting them down, but I'd say it's probably the most stable way of doing it. If we don't have the enhancement shammy in our team, we use a warlock for it. Using a healing priest for it is _dangerous_ still.

Due to the melee dps on her, she'll never try to do anything but heal herself so you don't have to worry about that on Romulo. Plus she goes down so insanely fast when you burn her. Actually after the nerf they seem to go down at the exact same speed when we did it just today, usually before she'd be at 80%+ before nerf.

We actually found last night that if you move them to the absolute opposite corners Juliet is simply out of range to heal Romeo. we had tank/rogue on her in the NW corner of the stage, tank/feral dps(myself) in the SE corner of the stage. Warlock kept her felhunter on manual dispel so it could be moved in/out without getting blown away. The only bit of excitement was really that Juliet dropped unexpectedly and we had to take down Romeo quicker than expected instead of both together. Tank popped recklessness and that was all they wrote. Nice little fight.

--Zor

We got them again last night 2 shotted it.. I was taking a lot less Dmg from romulo might be part gear upgrades part nerf.. heh.

We did the same thing; it worked like a charm. We still need to tune our interrupts a bit, but even with some misses on interrupting the heals we got 'em easily. (First time meeting them.) I'd say the Oz fight is actually a bit harder now, just because it has more moving parts.

We got R&J for the third time in four weeks, but this was the first time since the nerf. The fight was so much easier. We ended up killing them first pull, with about 15 seconds to set it up. I tanked phase 1 and 2 like normal, and Romulo on phase 3. I didn't end up using any potions, and don't think I ever went bellow 40% life.

Both of them hit for a lot less, so instagibs won't happen anymore. There was also a lot less strain on the healer’s mana. Going into phase 3 all our healers where above 90% mana. Julianne even got off two heals in phase 3, and it wasn't a problem.

While some people may have liked the difficulty before the nerf (or it wasn't difficult for them in the first place) I think this fight is much more reasonable now for it's location in the instance.