That's usually an effect of the paladin not paying attention, or simply forgetting to switch auras based on the fight, *not* you knowing which aura is better. I'm kinda confused how you'd 'correct' someone otherwise, Resistance on the fights where it's needed, Devotion or Improved Sanctity if specced for it. Or would you really use Retribution for threat instead of taking the obvious mitigation ones?

I agree that it's mostly a matter of not paying attention. The most frequent mistake is after a group shuffle with the paladin still having Concentration Aura instead of switching to Devotion. The same thing happens a lot when doing 2 different fights as well.

It does happen however that the paladin doesnt know which aura is best, but that can probably go into the attention category. I am talking about silly things like Fire Aura on Ebonroc here.

About the paladin buffs... I merely brought that up to show that there are multiple causes why threat is a lot more sensitive than it used to be. Which in turn can make tanks go angry easier.

This is one thing I think the "Class Buffing" style the paladins have could be improved. Meaning: Perhaps different stances could be used as a buff distinguisher: ie. Shadow Form would make a Priest have a different buffing "class", Druids in Bear Form, Warriors in Zerker... naturally this wouldn't include things like rogues in stealth. This almost defeats the purpose of having class buffs to save time, but they didn't give a 15min single target buff to alleviate the different jobs of different specs needing different buffs. Just giving a 15min single target buff would be the easy fix, come to think of it.

My ability to feel pity for paladins having to rebuff a couple blessings on boss fights is nonexistant after playing a shaman. I never got to play one on patchwerk, but really the only reason we even brought shamans for that fight was because we only had 4 druids and 5 priests.

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You don't like GoA for your tanks on Patchwerk?

I am assuming you're referring to the GCD shamans run into when redropping tots, but skilled shaman smoothly manage that.

Even with 25 man raids, buffing 25 people individually is not fun, and the 15 min buffs remove that trouble. For the few off-spec that may need a different buff, the 5 minute ones work fine.

Maybe its just how I am, but I see no reason to link tanks with being angry bastards. I can happily raid on my (alt) warrior to this day with no anger issues at all (he is full prot), I do my job and thats all I care for.

One disclaimer needs raising though, I never raid lead when alting, I pretty much always raid lead on my main, and I put Sebudai to shame with the things I spew. The whole anger thing seems far more linked with how much responsiblity you carry, and how well you expect people to perform, compared to how they actually do. I can cope with puggers getting thing wrong multiple times, I expect my raiders to get it right every time, its that simple.

And as to people getting buffs wrong... oh dear god, its so damn easy to just buff as needed, yet the bastards whine every night that they have no idea what each class needs, despite it being shockingly the same buffs they needed the last time we did it.

agree on the "too-busy-looking-at-healthbars" part even if we use paladin/priest as raidleader but as far as pulling goes I pull most stuff both in 5man and 10/25/40 raids when i'm leading unless the pull requires hunter run speed. You got instant pulling tools, instant deagro tools when the mob arives (that can't get resisted) and most importantly it makes me incharge of the pulling speed and what is pulled.

All this relates to the topic since it's saved me from countless bad pulls/slow pulls/too fast pulls which makes people angry including myself.

Well.

Other people thinking they can "help" me by pulling is generally the one thing that doesn't help me at all. Setting up a pull is often a key part of my aggro management.

Here are a few examples why:

(1) Often, I like to pull the sheep/seduce/banish/sleep target. This way, CC can be easily reapplied if/when it breaks (my shoot easily hits for around 200 damage and will out-aggro CC by a fair margin).

(2) The order in which mobs arrive after a pull is also fairly important for me. I usually set it up so that the secondary target arrives first and can be tagged with a quick sunder before moving on to the primary target. This way, DPS can open up hard and fast without me having to worry too much about healing aggro on the secondary target.

(3) When there are more than two non-CCed mobs, I'll use AE extensively, which means I need to be able to move them where I want them (usually away from sheep). I can largely control that by setting up the pull (e.g., casters tend to stay behind even when I LOS pull the mobs around a corner). I also don't have to worry about SW:P ticking a couple of times too often and out-aggroing Fade before the setup is complete.

(4) Sometimes sheep pulls are the best option to separate the remaining mobs from the sheeped one. In this case, the mage sheeps, I buff the mage with Battle Shout or Commanding Shout, and all the mobs come to me, safely away from the sheep.

(5) Sometimes, when pulls are over fast, my Bloodrage is on cooldown and I have no rage left. Yet people pull anyway because they don't realize that a warrior being out of rage is just as bad as a healer being out of mana.

(6) I don't have an instant attack, but I have a throwing weapon. 0.5s cast time is close enough to instant for any pull.

Can I work with somebody else pulling, including a priest? Yes, it's not going to be much fun, but I'm generally competent enough to work even with a very bad puller. Is it possible to drive my stress level through the roof this way? Also yes.

Part of that is subjective, of course. My job as a tank is to control the mobs, and if I fail at that, that can often mean a death or two or even a wipe. Starting out with a handicap in the "being in control" department is not exactly something that makes me more comfortable in being able to do my job well.

It all started when people couldent handle their aggro/threat levels, in MC/BWL and from there on all MT's are cranky and very verbal on our TS Its faster when you let someone know they did something wrong by yelling a bit than for them to realize it by themselfs.