We just killed him with little to no consumable usage.

Nonticeably lower hp, no hurtful strikes, MUCH MUCH lower shatter damage.

I think I got tossed in the middle of 6 people, and only took 7k between all of them. Previously that would have been 20k+.


Grats everyone on Serpentshrine I guess.

I personaly think they tune the places harder to begin with to give the hardcores something to challenge themselves, as well as slow progression, then nerf it once it seems there are enough people hitting the wall at it.

I also think this is a pretty sound way to do it.

Killed him with no pots. Stood on top of someone for shatter with multiple people <20 yards away and survived. Fight is pretty much a complete joke now.

I seriously doubt he was intended to be easier than Maulgar (and easier than the 3-brute packs in the tunnel!). We just killed him and it was really a pathetic sight for somebody named "the Dragonkiller".

This is debatable - My guild has killed him 4 times without a fully legit kill, the hardest being chain hurtfulls + 6 shatters on our first kill (The first was very very late).

However in the last 3 weeks we have had 1 hour ( 1 cleared trash) of not potted attempts, and then potted up after the next reclear, he has bugged on our first potted attempt every time Our second kill he shattered twice then bugged, 3rd and 4th he didn't do anything.

I accept that at 2 minutes in and the bug was apparent we didn't deliberately stand in cave in to wipe but no one could justify wasting the guilds money and time.

I don't know what you guys are talking about shatter damage nerf. I still hit people for around 9k each on the dry run today when we descided to wipe at like 40% and 12 growths (WHY?)

I literally afk-autoshotted for several minutes on our kill today because I was too busy telling people what a joke the fight had become on IRC via my laptop. I managed to survive several ground slams in the interim.

This shouldn't be that hard to figure out. This was an extremely difficult boss, at the end of a *two boss raid instance that served as a bottleneck to everything after it*. They need people in guilds with mere mortals to be able to down this boss. You're extremely short-sighted if you're disappointed in this change.

I guess the question would be, what does he look like from the perspective of someone who hadn't killed him or wasn't close to killing him in his old state? Obviously he's going to be a joke for those who've learned to handle the pre-nerfed version, but what does he look like for a guild fresh off Maulgar walking in for the first time?

On the contrary, I can't wait to fight him. This is the first time I think I've ever been excited about Gruul. =)

I feel dirty having killed him now. It was for the best though, as guilds needed to progress faster before black temple.

These forums are funny sometimes.

A week ago, it was consumables this, and too hard entry into 25-man raiding that. They nerf Gruul so he actually becomes the stepping stone into 25-man raiding he is supposed be, and the virtual sky is falling. Can anyone please tell me what's so bad about more people entering Serpentshrine? Will the massively overpowered loot in there shift pvp balances into unbalanced proportions? *snort*.

My guild got their well-deserved "hardmode" Gruul kill a week ago, so so we can stick that feather up our ass. I can now enjoy getting my legs (which is about the only decent part of my T4) without loosing around 100g each week, and I'm quite grateful for that, thanks.

Are any of the above first time kills? Because from the sound if it I should go log on now and gather some guildies for some easy epics.

So, are there some details on his hitpoints change? Some say it was significant, some say it was barely there - granted, with shatter being weaker, there could be some extra dps done instead of hiding/spreading out, so it could appear bigger than it really was.

The truth, as is usual, lies somewhere inbetween. Of course he's going to be an absolute joke to guilds who killed him before, but he has to become a lot easier if he was going to be an "Onyxia-style" encounter.

To be blunt - nerfing him into the ground (if it generates any excitement for 25 man raiding) was the right choice on so many levels that it's not really debatable in my mind.

Having 4 million people excited and participating in the raid game is far far more valuable to me than having the raid game be some meaninglessly "difficult" challenge for less than 400 people.

If you really want to do something impressive, go collect some GM Norms. Wow shouldn't be your only source of personal pride to the extent that you feel threatened when anyone approaches your achievements.

I'm super happy for the raiding game overall, because I like raiding. Personally? I like the hardcore "face in blender" type stuff, so on a personal level gruul was fine. As a raid leader/guild leader he was completely unacceptable. For my "fun" type of stuff to be in game as a niche object requires that the supporting masses have something to do.

Bravo Blizzard.

Yea, I agree with you, but it may have been the wrong way to handle it. I expect in a few days after some more guilds get a full raid keyed for SSC, we'll see lots of posts about the difficulty of Hydross and the general dumbness of the trash in that instance. He should be easier than he was, but not easier than Maulgaur.

Obviously the better solution would have been to reduce Shatter damage by 5% and see how that works out for a few months.

Exactly. Before, I had no interest in him, and our guild (slightly smaller) focused on things like getting the second Karazhan group running, killing Nightbane, even talking about Trial of Mercy, etc. Barely even attempted Maulgar. Now, I 'm looking forward to taking a raid to Gruul's Lair at the next possible opportunity.

Finally.

I fully agree with this. Why do people (especially those who knew the nerf bat was coming) get bent out of shape that now maybe 20% of a server can kill the guy? For me, the only two valid reasons to complain about a raid being too easy are a) if you have exhausted all raid content or b) if that gives too easy access to amazing gear. Nobody has even come close to seeing all raid content, and we all know that the current loot does not really deliver.

So, why complain? There are enough overtuned, consumable-draining encouters left in the game. Leave something for the rest of us please. Now maybe those who dislike farming can now actually participate in raiding. That hurts anyone how exactly?

We'll probably pick up a few pugs and do 2 Gruul kills next week =P