Moonglade 2-Piece Set Bonus

Athi · 03/27/07, 10:51 AM

I am one of the 2 main healers of one of my guild's Karazhan team. Until 2 days ago I was always using the Moonglade shoulders and robe for the 2-piece bonus (rejuvenation spells grant 35 dodge rating), and I didn't have anything else better to wear anyways.

On our last Curator kill, I got new shoulders (Pauldrons of the Solace-giver) which, given the fact that I want to improve my mana regen, are significantly better than the Moonglade ones. Furthermore, for all the other slots but the chestpiece I have better equipment than the corresponding Moonglade piece.

What I would like to know is in which fights would it be better to gimp my mana regen and + healing to give the bonus to the tanks and in which ones is it unnecessary. I know that 35 dodge rating is quite a lot and that our tanks do notice the difference but I really don't see myself wearing 2 blue pieces forever only for the set bonus.

We are currently on our 1st tries on Aran and we're entering Gruul's Lair for the 1st time on Wednesday.

Cannings · 03/27/07, 10:58 AM

I wouldn't gimp healing at all for 35 dodge rating which is just over 1% afaik as a tank i'd prefer the heal than the chance to mitigate

Suesse · 03/27/07, 11:09 AM

Is it not 19 rating = 1% dodge at 70? So it's 1.84%. It seems nice enough if it were a set bonus on half decent gear.

It probably has more value with a paladin tank vs a boss if they haven't quite filled up their combat table yet and still have a small chance to be crushed. This could reduce their chance to be crushed by almost 2%, right? It might also allow them to switch out some avoidance gear for more stamina if they know you'll keep rejuv up.

Athi · 03/27/07, 11:15 AM

Yes that's the thing exactly, one of our 2 MT is a paladin and he likes that bonus very much. But, in a 10-man raid in which I'm main healing and in which I sometimes have mana regen problems, I'm wondering which one would be more valuable: the set bonus or more mana regen/healing capability.

Iol · 03/27/07, 11:15 AM

My guess was that it might be worth it on Prince where avoidance is key. But personnally i'm intrigued on 25 mans. In a 25 mans if you have 2-3 druids healing with 2 pieces of moonglade
That's 3.68% or 5.52% (if 3 are healing) more dodge. So on stuff like hydross?

Entropie · 03/27/07, 11:26 AM

Moonglade Shoulders
Binds when picked up
Shoulder Leather
219 Armor
+13 Strength
+12 Agility
+18 Stamina
+19 Intellect
+18 Spirit
Red Socket
Red Socket
Socket Bonus: +3 Intellect
Durability 60 / 60
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 29.

socket with 2 times:
Royal Nightseye
+9 Healing Spells and +2 Mana every 5 seconds

versus

Pauldrons of the Solace-Giver
Binds when picked up
Shoulder Cloth
127 Armor
+25 Intellect
+20 Spirit
Durability 60 / 60
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 51.
Equip: Restores 9 mana per 5 sec.

*************

+18 Stamina
+22 Intellect
+18 Spirit
Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 47.
Equip: Restores 4 mana per 5 sec.

versus

+25 Intellect
+20 Spirit
Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 51.
Equip: Restores 9 mana per 5 sec.

In this case I wouldn't replace them just yet, with decent gems it doesn't make a large difference.

An extra buff to the tank is always nice.. especially since you can have it on 2 tanks simultaneously.

Orin · 03/27/07, 11:39 AM

Athi, I too have been debating what to do about the 2 piece Moonglade bonus. At just shy of 2% dodge, any tank would be stupid to ignore it on certain encounters. I think for my personal use, I will keep two or three pieces in my bags for quite a while, and if we ever have problems on an encounter where more dodge would help, I'll put them on.

In general though, I will try to replace based on spirit/healing/mp5/int/stam total numbers rather than that set bonus.

Miriam · 03/27/07, 11:54 AM

I'm using 2 pieces (helm & shoulders) of moonglade when healing, socketed with best blue healing gems. You really need to include best possible blue gems when making item comparisons. So I'm going to need epic replacements for both slots before I can drop the bonus, and the crafted epic leather helm(s) aren't good enough (no sockets). Those 2 pieces of moonglade would actually be pretty damn hot if all that str/agi would be useful healing stats as well.

GoG · 03/27/07, 2:26 PM

I think you should prioritize dodge on any boss fight that has some stacking, melee applied debuff. Sunders or some sort of poison. I would suggest your paladin tank also get moroes pocket watch as well, as its great for this sort of thing. Often you just want some extended period of high dodge to get the stacks to fall off.

• Fric · 03/27/07, 4:43 PM

In my experience, and you'll probably encounter this on Maulgar/Gruul, you need a lot of +heal and MR to be able to spam healing touch for the majority of a fight (HoT will not cut it on a tank and spank in TBC). Not everyone has the benefit of the Razuvious idol I have, so healing touch will chew your mana up even if you downrank (I use rank 8 for spam).

In other words, upgrade to more MP/5 and spirit and +heal and you will have to do less overall healing, and the fights you will have soon won't really benefit much from the 1.5% dodge. On Gruul and Prince, healer spots are at a premium so the healers they are filled with need to be max'ed out in terms of effecitveness. Gimping your +heal, mana pool, and MP/5 in order to give the tank an occasional buff on a spell you won't be using the entire time, seems excessive to me. Grab the lifewarden's BP, use your Kara shoulders, and worry about bumping your +heal. Priests will be helping the tank more with their 25% armor increase anyhow, and if you aren't healing touch spamming on Gruul or Prince, chances are you have too many healers in the group :-)

Boevis · 03/28/07, 4:03 AM

Originally Posted by Iol

My guess was that it might be worth it on Prince where avoidance is key. But personnally i'm intrigued on 25 mans. In a 25 mans if you have 2-3 druids healing with 2 pieces of moonglade
That's 3.68% or 5.52% (if 3 are healing) more dodge. So on stuff like hydross?

My guild actually only has one druid with moonglade, so I'm curious if they actually stack. If they do, this opens up a whole new realm (and required bag space) for me.

Daboran · 03/28/07, 4:11 AM

Originally Posted by Boevis

My guild actually only has one druid with moonglade, so I'm curious if they actually stack. If they do, this opens up a whole new realm (and required bag space) for me.

If they do stack, and given that you generally have at least one Feral in addition to healing Druids in a 25-man you could potentially get it stacked 4 times easily by persuading Feral dps to wear 2-piece, shift out and rejuve the tank. That would seem a tad overpowered (and therefore definitely worth investigation

) especially bearing in mind previous conversations about dodge/agi-stacking

Toothpaste · 03/28/07, 4:17 AM

Last I tested it, they do in fact stack.

ikillyouheal · 03/28/07, 4:48 AM

I'm not being serious now but, is it only me seeing 24 druids + a tank in a 25man raid? +44.16% dodge from only their rejuvs seems crazy.

No, but putting it to use while having 2-3 druids in a raid? I actually do see a "3p transc/stormrage" thing comming up here.

Boevis · 03/28/07, 5:05 AM

I don't think 35 Dodge Rating is nearly on the same level as doubling your mana regen while casting was.

The Set bonus's on Malorne are, frankly, amazing. (2/5: 120 mana restore on 'helpful' spells, and 4/5: -24 seconds on NS cooldown.)