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Old 03/29/07, 12:40 PM   #1
Nephros
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
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Vanilla World Raid Bosses

Hey all. Rerolled onto a new server for BC and I’m trying to get my guild some raiding experience. I saw that Azuregos is up earlier today so I plan on gathering everyone up to have a go at him. I’ve killed him multiple times on my undead priest, but with the new level cap and pallies for the horde, I have a few questions.

Would it be possible for a paladin to main tank Azuregos? My main concern is the spell reflect buff that he has. Does Seal of Righteousness, Seal of Blood, or Holy Shield get reflected? I’d assume that judging those seals would; I’ve had them reflected back at me from the defenders in Slave Pens.

Also, when I saw him ambling about this morning, he was listed as level ??. Is he still considered a level 63? Or has he been scaled up to be a level 73 boss. I’m mainly worried about bringing lower level players (58+) to help fight.

If all goes well with Azuregos, I’d also like to see if Highlord Kruul is up. My main question with him is that on Wowwiki, he’s listed to have a 1 minute enrage similar to Lord Kazzak. Is this enrage temporary like Doom Lord Kazzak or is it until we wipe like the old Lord Kazzak?

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Old 03/29/07, 12:43 PM   #2
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A pet at 60 could tank Azuregos. He's your level +3 in regards to resists, armor, etc, but for the most part he's really easy and dumb. His DPS is lower than some trash mobs and you could tank through the spell reflect without judging.
 
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Old 03/29/07, 12:43 PM   #3
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Azuregos is a joke. he'll crush you for 1000, hit you for 500. 6-manned him the other day with 2 Warriors 2 priests and 2 Rogues.

I don't think anything spawns in Blasted Lands at all anymore, and I've gone to check a number of times.

4 World Dragons still require some NR, as those NR ticks do alot of damage per second, healers might struggle a tad if you have 6 stacks the entire fight.

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Old 03/29/07, 1:05 PM   #4
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Seal of Righteousness does get reflected on bosses like Pandemonius so I don't see why it wouldn't reflect on Azuregos as well. I don't think a paladin could hold aggro that well given that obstacle.

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Old 03/29/07, 1:34 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Gauss View Post
Seal of Righteousness does get reflected on bosses like Pandemonius so I don't see why it wouldn't reflect on Azuregos as well. I don't think a paladin could hold aggro that well given that obstacle.
That's the damage shield, isn't it?

SoR does not reflect on mobs that have a spell reflect shield, such as the ones in Sethekk (Heroic) or Slave Pens or SV. SoV, JoV, JoR will reflect on those types of mobs, but SoR will not.

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Old 03/29/07, 1:40 PM   #6
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3 manning Azuregos is good money. Like 65-70g a piece and you can shard some blues (LBS sell for 10g on my server gg old world mats), vendor some epics (Nexus are worth 1g) and possibly get a semi-useful recipe!

We often use a level 70 warrior, priest, rogue setup. Takes us about 20 minutes.

But yeah, not sure if the Paladin would have mana issues trying to tank him and hold aggro after each teleport. The nice thing about the pet is it's all automated ;p
 
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Old 03/29/07, 1:41 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Emeraude View Post
Azuregos is a joke. he'll crush you for 1000, hit you for 500. 6-manned him the other day with 2 Warriors 2 priests and 2 Rogues.

I don't think anything spawns in Blasted Lands at all anymore, and I've gone to check a number of times.

4 World Dragons still require some NR, as those NR ticks do alot of damage per second, healers might struggle a tad if you have 6 stacks the entire fight.

I've also never seen the boss in blasted lands and I check 3-4 times a week.
 
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Old 03/29/07, 2:07 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Fiola View Post
That's the damage shield, isn't it?

SoR does not reflect on mobs that have a spell reflect shield, such as the ones in Sethekk (Heroic) or Slave Pens or SV. SoV, JoV, JoR will reflect on those types of mobs, but SoR will not.
With liberal use of consecrate, I highly doubt threat would really be a problem. Wear lots of int/spell dmg gear and your tps skyrockets; no reason to stack mitigation on a boss this weaksauce.

I bet self healing you could stand toe to toe with him for a while.
 
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Old 03/29/07, 2:08 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by ayb View Post
I've also never seen the boss in blasted lands and I check 3-4 times a week.
Kazzak moved to Hellfire Peninsula, and was replaced around patch 2.0 by Highlord Kruul (who was essentially identical to Kazzak 1.0). Kruul randomly spawned in all sorts of places--Eastern Plaguelands, Hinterlands, outside cities, etc. To be honest, though, I don't know if he still spawns at all. I'm sure someone can confirm or deny.

Edit: Severely screwed up my original post
 
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Old 03/29/07, 2:10 PM   #10
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The easiest way to do azuregos from what I hear is to use a hunter/warlock pet since they completely avoid the aggro wipe.

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Old 03/29/07, 2:44 PM   #11
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He's tauntable anyway.
 
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Old 03/29/07, 3:33 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Docjowles View Post
Kazzak moved to Hellfire Peninsula, and was replaced around patch 2.0 by Highlord Kruul (who was essentially identical to Kazzak 1.0). Kruul randomly spawned in all sorts of places--Eastern Plaguelands, Hinterlands, outside cities, etc. To be honest, though, I don't know if he still spawns at all. I'm sure someone can confirm or deny.

Edit: Severely screwed up my original post
Yeah I remember the slaughter outside org but from what I understood highlord kruul was supposed to just take his place in blasted lands.
 
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Old 03/29/07, 4:11 PM   #13
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Azuregos was 2-manned by a feral druid and a shaman on my server a few days back. Took them 1 hour and 23 minutes to down.

 
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Old 03/29/07, 4:19 PM   #14
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Ysera
Damn, An hour and a half?. Myself and an MS specced warrior in my guild duo azzy whenever we find him up, he 2h tanks the thing, takes less than 30 minutes for ~100g each. Lots of fun, pretty positive a pally can tank him considering sometimes he would aggro onto me and I recall hits in the 700-900 range. Only problem I could see would be generating aggro when he has his magic shield up.
 
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Old 03/29/07, 6:26 PM   #15
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Just went there to test for fun, and boy is that dragon weaksauce. My tanking gear is weak (11500 ac, 10700hp, 505 def) and my blocked hits were between 300-500. He does a few spells that hit for a bit more though. I'm definitely gonna ask my healer friend to go with me there for some fun.

Edit* Found this quite amusing, a hunter on EU soloed Azuregos: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread....67626780&sid=1

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Old 03/29/07, 6:48 PM   #16
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Slightly offthread but I was trying the Green Dragons with a group of 5 since we never got a shot when the "Green Dragon Race" was on. We found the disease dots they all do stacked crazily high to about 4k a tick or so even with 150ish NR.We considered a second OT and switch the stacks. Are they doable with 5 and if so is 300 NR the way to be?
 
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Old 03/29/07, 6:59 PM   #17
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Yeah you need max NR the nature dmg does NOT scale down. When we 10 manned the greens for gold and twink (pally) loot, tank without max NR was still a bitch to heal. Normal green drag tanking NR is fine for it though as it resists off fairly often and never stacks 4+.
 
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Old 03/29/07, 7:15 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by Strifen View Post
Damn, An hour and a half?. Myself and an MS specced warrior in my guild duo azzy whenever we find him up, he 2h tanks the thing, takes less than 30 minutes for ~100g each. Lots of fun, pretty positive a pally can tank him considering sometimes he would aggro onto me and I recall hits in the 700-900 range. Only problem I could see would be generating aggro when he has his magic shield up.
Only judgement is affected by reflection effects, you can still use Holy Shield, Consecrate and a Seal with no issue. So it'd hurt your aggro a bit, but not overly much.

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Old 03/29/07, 7:18 PM   #19
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Just take the number of breaths the dragon do per duration of time of the DoT itself, and make that the exponent of your resist rate you want to go in with. That would be your odds of the DoT restacking before it falls off. I think you're gonna average around 1-3 dots with full NR. You'll stick around 6 most of the time with 50%.
 
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Old 03/29/07, 10:33 PM   #20
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Arathor
Azuregos down, but unfortunately I didn't get to tank him. :o(

The manastorm that he pelts the field with drains my mana quick and without mana to grab aggro with after a teleport, things got hairy quick. Called in a bear tank and had him down in no time.
 
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Old 03/29/07, 10:37 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by Kinz View Post
Slightly offthread but I was trying the Green Dragons with a group of 5 since we never got a shot when the "Green Dragon Race" was on. We found the disease dots they all do stacked crazily high to about 4k a tick or so even with 150ish NR.We considered a second OT and switch the stacks. Are they doable with 5 and if so is 300 NR the way to be?
Unless they have changed something they breath exactly every 30 seconds so you can have an 2x OT's taunt off for every other breath right before the breath so it doesn't stack up on the tank at all.
 
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Old 03/29/07, 10:43 PM   #22
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pretty sure the breath is every 11 seconds.
 
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Old 03/29/07, 11:11 PM   #23
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A hunter soloed Azuregos

http://youtube.com/watch?v=i_-_3tfmU-o

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Old 03/30/07, 2:14 AM   #24
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We took 15 to the green dragons today, I believe we had 47 NR (MOTW + Tauren racial = 47, right?). I believe we had a whopping 3 people who had ever done them before, and we downed Taerar without too many hiccups (we had a 61 warrior who had vendored his boots running around taunting everything, I don't think that counts).

Our briefing was, "HEY GUYS I'M TANKING."

I believe Ysondre was tauntable, and having a warrior two hand tank taunt to push the debuff off the MT was the extent of the difficulty in the fight.

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Old 03/31/07, 3:05 AM   #25
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I believe all the green dragons are tauntable, so rotating between two or more tanks suffices as a substitute for NR.

And that Azu video is awesome.
 
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