Couple questions about Maulgar

Bunnyz · 04/02/07, 6:11 AM

Hi,
My guild decided to start High King in next week. I have done some research about the fight and had ideas about what will happen. However, I still have a few questions about this fight and I hope to be prepared before starting this boss:

- Is my group geared enough ? (My group is 3 warrior, 1-2 restore druid, 3 holy priest, 2 shadow priest, 4-5 paladins (1 prot, others are holy), 3 hunters, 3 warlocks, 3 mages, 1 restore shaman, the rest could be other dps (rogue, feral druid, etc). We are running 2 Kara raids with raid 1 cleared kara + nightbane 3 times and raid 2 on Aran.
This is our MT on high king's armory: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/ch...nnoroth&n=Ammy

- For the warlock tank. From the strats it's very possible to tank him by his felhunter, do we really need 1 OT? I meant with 2 warlocks can we have 2 warlock run in, 1 got deathcoil'd, 1st warlock enslaves 1, tank him, wait for next Fel and the second warlock enslaves it, tank him, repeat?

- I knew that silence shot, priest silence, rogue imp. kick silence effect can go through Blindeye's shield. But in case we don't have these, is it easy to get the shield down before he finish the heal (4s + ~2 = ~6s with CoT on)? 25k dmg in 6s with 8 dps :-/ (we lose 2 hunter, 1 mage, 1 lock on tanking)

- Do the other tank on add - warlock and priest - need to be well geared as the main tank? For example, this is the profile of the warrior gonna tank Blindeye: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/ch...oroth&n=Callar, the other warrior is a bit more geared but he's on dps gear atm -,-"

Thank you for reading / answering my post

• Chicken · 04/02/07, 6:19 AM

This is our MT on high king's armory: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/ch...nnoroth&n=Ammy
That seems more than good enough; the first time we killed Maulgar was with a less well geared warrior tanking it.

- For the warlock tank. From the strats it's very possible to tank him by his felhunter, do we really need 1 OT? I meant with 2 warlocks can we have 2 warlock run in, 1 got deathcoil'd, 1st warlock enslaves 1, tank him, wait for next Fel and the second warlock enslaves it, tank him, repeat?
Enslave Demon is a very fickle thing. With emphasis on very.

- I knew that silence shot, priest silence, rogue imp. kick silence effect can go through Blindeye's shield. But in case we don't have these, is it easy to get the shield down before he finish the heal (4s + ~2 = ~6s with CoT on)? 25k dmg in 6s with 8 dps :-/ (we lose 2 hunter, 1 mage, 1 lock on tanking)
I'm pretty sure Blindeye is immune to actual silence effects like the ones you mentioned. I recommend having a bear tank him since they do more damage while tanking, which puts the DPS requirement at about 460 average for each person, which should be very easily doable. The mage tanking Krosh should also have enough time to help out with killing the other ogres, it isn't terribly hard to keep aggro on Krosh.

- Do the other tank on add - warlock and priest - need to be well geared as the main tank? For example, this is the profile of the warrior gonna tank Blindeye: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/ch...oroth&n=Callar, the other warrior is a bit more geared but he's on dps gear atm -,-"
Those really don't need good gear. Blindeye's attacks are very weak, and the tank on the Warlock add is more there as a 'just in case' thing.

Linnet · 04/02/07, 6:47 AM

With the mage tank, it's mostly lots of stamina that you need. Green 'of stamina' gear is fine, but over 11k health buffed is what you need to be looking at.

We do use off tanks on the warlock because sometimes he deathcoils people or they get thrown around.

And we've had dps warriors tanking the priest in dps gear, and resto druids tanking it in heal gear. Just about anything can tank it, really

But the idea is you burn it down fast anyway.

Zifna · 04/02/07, 7:00 AM

I'd second the Enslave Demon thing. We found it easier/more consistent to use 2 real tanks there and to simply banish the felpuppies.

Daboran · 04/02/07, 7:18 AM

Just to agree with what's been said already - yes you do need a Warrior on the Warlock - Felhunters break or go walkabout early quite often. If the Warlock goes running about you are looking at a wipe. We use a Prot warrior on him but will also stick a Fury/Prot one there as we usually have Warriors to spare. I don't think they take a great deal of damage.

I usually tank the Priest on my Feral. Get your tank to use as much dps gear as possible while maintaining enough defence to avoid crits and a sensible amount of armour - the Priest hits like a girl and this should allow your dps to go almost full-out on him. Between Bash/Kicks/Stuns etc he will do very minimal (if any) self-healing and his bubble for the AoE heal will go down very fast.

Kalroth · 04/02/07, 7:19 AM

Originally Posted by Bunnyz

Is my group geared enough ?

If you've cleared Karazhan then your gear should be more than adequate for the Maulgar encounter.

Originally Posted by Bunnyz

(we lose 2 hunter, 1 mage, 1 lock on tanking)

I wouldn't advice using 2 hunters on Kiggler, one druid is much, much easier. This would also free two dps classes, which would help you down everything faster. Even a resto specced druid wearing a few tank items should be able to tank Kiggler. 0-1 resto druid, 1 resto shaman and 3 holy priests and 3-4 holy paladins is plenty of healing for the entire encounter, especially with 2 shadow priests.

Also I agree on above posts about Olm, he's much easier to contain with 2 tanks.
Tell your warlocks just to banish the adds and you'll have freed up more dps for Blindeye.

Looking at your setup, I'd assign the following classes to tanking;
Maulgar: Your best geared MT, he needs to bring a flask and misc potions (ironshield/agi/etc).
Krosh: Mage with loads of stamina gear; around 10k unbuffed should do the trick.
Kiggler: Druid in (semi)tanking gear.
Olm: Two random warriors or prot paladin.
Blindeye: Random warrior or prot paladin. Pick the one with the lowest health/weakest gear, he wont be tanking that much, only spamming taunt a lot. :-)

Huthuthike · 04/02/07, 7:24 AM

We don't use tanks at all on the warlock. It hasn't been a problem for us (8 kills so far), but I imagine it will be if ever one of our two locks that do the enslave aren't on!

I would try it with a tank or two on Olm to start out. If dps on Blindeye is slow, you can consider pulling the tanks off him, if your warlocks seem to have things under control. That frees up one or two warriors / feral druids to dps.

Also your raid seems very healer heavy (9-11 healers?). Dps is fairly important to burn the first two adds down quickly, and if you are running 10 healers, 2 Kiggler tanks, 1 Krosh tank, 1 Maulgar tank, 1 Blindeye tank, 2 Olm tanks, that's only room for 8 dpsers, two of which are warlocks that are occasionally peeling off the primary dps target to banish the felhounds. You're going to run into dps issues, in my opinion.

We run 7 or 8 healers, for the record. 1 on Kiggler tanks, 1 on Krosh tank, 1 on Blindeye tank (helping top the Krosh tank when he takes a big hit), 2 on felhounds, 3 on the Maulgar tank. We can min/max a bit by having the Kiggler tank healer spot heal the Maulgar tank, and going down to 2 full time Maulgar tank healers.

Also don't forget your warlocks on enslave duty can still put some dps into Blindeye.

Good luck, learning the fight was frustrating, as we just wiped over and over figuring the pull out. But once you have that down it's only a matter of killing the first two adds and keeping the Krosh and Maulgar tanks alive.

Daboran · 04/02/07, 7:28 AM

One last word of advice - it's all about the pull. Get that sorted and the fight is relatively easy. We use a Paladin to run in and bubble, that gets them all moving towards your tanks who can pull from there. Feral can Faerie Fire to pull, Hunters misdirect etc. Your tanks have to be on the ball to get anough aggro on their targets before the heal bombs start landing on your MT.

Drauk · 04/02/07, 7:43 AM

Originally Posted by Bunnyz

- I knew that silence shot, priest silence, rogue imp. kick silence effect can go through Blindeye's shield. But in case we don't have these, is it easy to get the shield down before he finish the heal (4s + ~2 = ~6s with CoT on)? 25k dmg in 6s with 8 dps :-/ (we lose 2 hunter, 1 mage, 1 lock on tanking)

Just purge the shield, its easiest solution.

Bunnyz · 04/02/07, 8:05 AM

Thank you for your replies.

Also your raid seems very healer heavy (9-11 healers?). Dps is fairly important to burn the first two adds down quickly, and if you are running 10 healers, 2 Kiggler tanks, 1 Krosh tank, 1 Maulgar tank, 1 Blindeye tank, 2 Olm tanks, that's only room for 8 dpsers, two of which are warlocks that are occasionally peeling off the primary dps target to banish the felhounds. You're going to run into dps issues, in my opinion.

I think we may replace 1-3 healers with dps then, just worried about healing tanks but if the adds do not hit hard I think it won't be problem.

Just purge the shield, its easiest solution.

I didn't know that we can purge the shield... if purge works will Dispel magic work as well (since they have the same mechanic)?
BTW, I'm not really sure since we haven't started yet, but I heard that Blindeye's shield only protect him from Interupt / Stun effect so I guess'd Silence would work, wouldn't it? :/

I will try having druid tanking the shaman, it would help freeing 2 hunters for dps. Just wonder if it's harder to keep him up than 2 hunters since people said the aoe of shaman will add up a lot of damage on the tank.

Drauk · 04/02/07, 8:23 AM

Originally Posted by Bunnyz

I didn't know that we can purge the shield... if purge works will Dispel magic work as well (since they have the same mechanic)?
BTW, I'm not really sure since we haven't started yet, but I heard that Blindeye's shield only protect him from Interupt / Stun effect so I guess'd Silence would work, wouldn't it? :/

Now you get me confused. I've looked up his shield on Thott.

http://thottbot.com/s33147

It doesn't say it is magic effect, but i'm 99% sure that our shamans were able to purge it. I'm not very familiar with purge, does it follow other dispel abilities behavior - i.e. when there is nothing to remove it won't cast ?

• Chicken · 04/02/07, 8:33 AM

Purge and Dispel Magic (And Mass Dispel) don't work on Blindeye's Shield. You just need to do the 25k damage quick enough, which isn't that hard.

Elsia · 04/02/07, 8:39 AM

Our hunter on the job reported that silencing shot works on the priest when shielded. I wasn't on the job myself so can't tell first-hand. Anybody who actually tried this can confirm or refute this?

Zifna · 04/02/07, 8:51 AM

The shield can not be purged.

^_^ I also wanted to say, we've had a lot of success with hunter tanks on Kiggler. They're still doing the majority of their dps even with some NR gear on, and the pair can easily be healed by a single offspec healer. A melee character tanking them has many more issues. Also, after Kiggler's down, the hunters can feign and go to regular dps gear.

However, I have heard of what may be a superior strat...

Moonkin Druid tank. We don't have an Oomkin in our guild atm, but an Oomkin can tank from range and is immune to the Poly.

Linnet · 04/02/07, 8:55 AM

We use a moonkin to tank the shaman and ... it makes it very easy.