Unavoidable resist is 6% dps loss for casters approximately. Glancing is definitely bigger for melee (and absent entirely from hunters).

The principle I'd like to see is that overall, the combination of all these effects per level dps drop should be about the same for all damage dealing types. Caster (DD, DoT, Binary, or not), Ranged, and Melee (yellow and white, dual weild and not) should be very similar. Dual weilding melee may be similar to casters in the %hit department, but is vastly different than other melee and hunters. Glancing is not equal to unavoidable resists, and the resists are not consistent across binary/non-binary spells or DD versus DoTs. Ranged dps has no equivalent to glancing or unavoidable resist.

Not quite. Mobs have 8 resist to all (including holy) per level above you when you are level 60. This works out to 2% dps loss per level above you. I haven't seen the data for level 70 to know if it is still 8 resist per level or if that has scaled to remain effective 2% damage loss per level above.

This has NOTHING to do with curse of shadow/elements. Those spells, and spell penetration gear, do not remove these innate level difference based resists and take a MoB to 0 resist. That resist is just there no matter what.

Whether there is a warlock around in your group or not, spell penetration is useless.

my glad BP still has 25 resilience

Actually, yes it does matter a great deal.

Lets take the extreme. Glancing blows cut your dps on level 73 bosses by 50%. Ok, doulble the weapon damage and class skills to compensate. Good idea?

Another class (I'll call them "Hunters") have no glancing. Their dps is roughly similar to the above melee after the melee get the double damage to compensate.


OK, now some trash mobs (level 70, 71) or PvP. Suddenly the first group has DOUBLE the dps of the Hunters on these targets.

Glancing and other level based damage reduction has to be even across classes and damge types or else there will be significant imbalance somewhere. Make them equal dps for same level targets, and the one with worse reduction has issues on bosses. Make them equal on bosses, and those with poor scaling have an advantage in pvp and against trash and low level targets.

Interesting.... they removed resilience from the warrior gladiator items when they added more stats.

Issues with caster DPS, and physical DPS counterparts:

- Consumables: Mana potions are significantly more powerful to a caster than equal cooldowns for physical DPS. Consumable changes could nerf caster DPS significantly, for better (cost) or worse (DPS positioning).

- Synergy: Debuffs are far more powerful when consumed by casters. Shadowpriests past two or stacking Warlocks (or even Mages) deteriorates quickly because of debuff slots and personal buffs not stacking for the raid (Re: Invulnerabilities, Misery, etc). Physical DPS could use more debuff synergy, not just personal contribution.

- Tailoring / gear / itemization: Simply put; I will maybe see side-grades in Hyjal / BT. As it stands, I could live without the 1-2 situational upgrades I will see from SSC / TK. As already voiced numerous times, cloth crafting supersedes other crafts by leaps and bounds, and what can we expect when physical DPS breaks ground with raid drops (assuming T5-zone drops are revamped properly)? Shadowpriests / Mages are glass cannons to be competitive with the top of meters. Physical DPS / Warlocks are sitting pretty at 60-80% increased STA.

- Shadowpriests (in particular): We have approached Fury Warrior Status. While we can't necessarily perform two raid rolls, we bring so much to a raid through other means. Our DPS begets more mana and begets more DPS. Like 1.0 rage for fury, DPS increases exponentially (not necessarily just personal DPS).

I'm threat capped anyway, so I don't see much progression as a player. Hopefully this doesn't detour from my will to play. 130% ranged threat is very much not real (from numerous experiences). MT TPS can ultimately deteriorate with upgrades, so I can only expect to be capped sooner.

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Personally, I find Shadowpriests and Warlocks being much more wanting to prove themselves. They've never had their fame and are throwing down at all cost to show their worth. And depending on consumable changes, it could be more than enough to put a significant dent in this effort.

Currently, top DPSers are frontloaded from consumables, gear, and capped on progression. Physical DPS has tons of room to grow, and I only see these patch notes as a bandaid. The bandaid will only need to be replaced as the tables turn.

I'm a bit worried as an enhancement shaman, but I'm wondering how much of the new threat will be counteracted by an increase in druid/warrior threat? If warriors and druids aren't glancing as much either then they should gain only a little less than the rest of us melee right? It would be interesting to hear the white/yellow proportions on warrior, shaman, rogue and paladins to really digest how this is going to affect both melee dps and dps potential.

Sheesh, upping melee dps. Already have rogues pushing 950 DPS or so, the results of this will be scary.

When Incinerate warlocks can break 1000 DPS just by sitting back and spamming their nuke, that hardly seems like a problem to me.

As 15/41/5 roughly 60% of my damage is white, 30% yellow, and 10% poisons. Even so, at this point we have no real idea of how it's going to affect our damage output, since we don't know exactly how they're going to reduce the glancing penalty, or by how much.

Your entire post is raw speculation. Nothing in the underdev page indicates that Tier 6 is "Exclusive" to Black Temple, nor is there any concrete indication about a keying process if there is one -- just assumptions based on current data points.