Sorry about Heroic Underbog. We just wanted our epic mounts, really.

Funny, I didn't read it that way Wodin. I thought more of mobs increasing their social call radius in a world mining situation. But perhaps that is all it means... perhaps its both. Probably the latter eh?

Can non-stealthers do that too?

Combine that with:

It seems clear that they want you to have to work for each node you mine. Personally this is rather disturbing to me as a protection warrior. Having to kill 2-3 mobs per node is going to really cut down on how much ore I can bring in. Main healers would also find this change a pain.

I suspect this is to respond to the ease of flying in, collecting, and flying off without ever fighting a single mob. Silly me I had seen that as a real design change from the old world that finally made the various classes and specs semi-equal when it came to gathering. I guess I will go back to working on that rogue alt.

Oh hey, if that's what the change means, I'm glad I got my Hibiscus farming for my alt done already. They don't specifically mention that, but I certainly mined a bit along the way.

Ok thanks, I'll get right on that, boss.

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I agree with that sentiment. As a protection paladin, it took me actually a long time after maxing out my mining skill and turning most of my minerals into worthless items to skill up jewelcrafting that I realized: Hey! I can sell some of this stuff and not be completely broke all the time.

So yeah, lately I've been mining. And it's great because I can fly around, pick the occasional node, and if I'm lucky, get a blue gem or two to sell per night. This can put me in a fairly comfortable position as far as money goes.

I mean, gathering is the only method of making money, besides instancing, that doesn't entirely depend on your personal damage per minute to determine your gain.

To me that was "on the right track" in that I could make money, make primal earth/fire, and do it just as fast as the next guy who happened to be doing the same thing, regardless of whether he was dps or a healer.

Dang, think I might start stockpiling Ancient Lichen instead of selling off excess stock like I am with my other herbs (on the assumption that demand will be going down with the patch). I usually farm Slave Pens for 2-3 Lichen spawns a reset. Won't be able to do that anymore I guess.

Unless I missed something, doesn't that change only affect miners? That would really suck if you can no longer farm those first couple nodes, although I guess its not as big an issue since all the consumables don't stack.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=20731

[e] Why not say that right away tigole? You had the info, it would have saved 15 pages of worrieing in this thread alone.

Glad to see your ping went down to a reasonable level.

Jeez Jeff, you can't post ANYWHERE without starting drama!

At any rate, I've been following this with a lot of interest (being a former herb/alch myself), but I'm willing to reserve judgement until I download the PTRs and see for myself (or you guys release the whole set of patch notes). Gotta say though, it looks kind of bleak and backwards.

They are also adding in at least 4 new elixirs(?) so perhaps the essences will be required for them too. Not to mention the new engineering head pieces.

New on the Profession boards; Neth said this is the finalized list:

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Sorry if this was already posted.

Now, we can start picking it to pieces with all the information on the table.

If the flask changes are as significant as they sound, Lichen probably won't be that big of a deal anymore anyway. I'm looking forward to seeing just how much the mats cost has been reduced before I really come to a conclusion, though.

There were a few notably retarded moments for sure, but your mods seemed to keep control, especially on probably the most ridiculous posts about how alchemy is now dead!!...

Excellent community forums like these seem to invariably go bad after a long time, but I'm hoping EJ stays pretty stable and coherent for a long time to come. I think FoH was pretty good up through about 2005ish for instance, so its possible.

I know this is horribly off topic as it is.

On topic: I don't think people should be panicking about the node changes. It would take a lot of new spawns to really make a notable difference in your gold per hour rate. Sure you're gonna have to kill a couple more mobs, but this sounds like it just triggers a 15-20 yard taunt or so. Not a big deal really. If they add protectors to nodes, that would be a problem, but thats a huge leap from the notes.

Or ranting about assembly lines and how this was the only thing we were going to get <3

As a healer for example in Kara, I currently pot up for moroes, I dont pot again till aran and dont really need to, flasking for Moroes ,unless super cheap would be a waste as we normally do Aran on the 2nd day.

The fact that they didn't mention Mana or Shadow, and specifically said "Living" and not "Life" tells me no. They meant essences. The question remains whether essences will share the drop table with motes, which would be a very, very bad thing.

The reason they did this was to probably make it so that you could actually make crafted items from around 300 skill. Right now you have to go back to the old world and farm elementals that also drop nothing else you could ever need. In the future, you will get both Motes and Essences...nice little change in my opinion.

No they meant essences since there are (for example) still useful enchanting recipes that require essences but are hard to get in outland and have a poor drop rate in azeroth (+15 agi to gloves/weapon as two examples of this).

I find it somewhat weird, that out of all professions, it seems that engineering got the least. Even fishing, with 3 simple changes, is much better off. Eng was supposed to be most influenced by patch and unless those googles are tailoring quality, there's still almost no incentive for it.
Not that it's very important, alchemy is what I wait for now. Though, if elixirs stack in 20, shouldn't potions too? Bags are getting way too crowded nowadays. And fishing, naturally, with reduced alchemy effects, food buffs are going to be far more common(non high-end raider like myself didn't use them *that* much) and 33% faster(or more if you include always getting fish in 20 secs) will certainly be nice.

Perhaps you dont transmute?

For me, with my transmutes on a alt between raids ,instances and plain forgetfulness my transmute timer allways ends up drifting to some time after midnight . then I get a early night and boom back to tranmuteing after work around 6pm.


So its not a 1/24 increase its not losing a transmute timer every 1-2 weeks.