2.10 profession preview - Page 47

Kalman · 04/12/07, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tigole

--Flask powers have been GREATLY reduced.
--Reagent costs for flasks have been ****GREATLY**** reduced.
--Flasks take up both your offenseive AND defensive elixir slots. 1 Flask or 2 elixirs -- you choose.
--Raid DPS has gone up (Glancing Blow and Class Changes)
--Encounters where DPS was not a "flasking factor" (i.e. tuned around the HP flasks, elixir of mastery, defense etc). will be retuned.

Excellent, particularly the first two.

The only remaining point would be: any news on reducing the power level of chain-potting, whether it be chaining mana pots or chaining armor pots?

Raienna · 04/12/07, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tigole

--Flask powers have been GREATLY reduced.
--Reagent costs for flasks have been ****GREATLY**** reduced.
--Flasks take up both your offenseive AND defensive elixir slots. 1 Flask or 2 elixirs -- you choose.
--Raid DPS has gone up (Glancing Blow and Class Changes)
--Encounters where DPS was not a "flasking factor" (i.e. tuned around the HP flasks, elixir of mastery, defense etc). will be retuned.

This is the kind of useful information that would prevent things like the last 10 pages of this thread. :/

Thank you!

Tigole · 04/12/07, 12:24 PM

Raiders will have access to easy-to-access flasks in SSC, TK, Hyjal and Black Temple. Dungeon goers will have easy access to potions in Coilfang and TK 5-mans.

For example, 1 Coilfang Armament = 1 super mana potion (zone specific) in the coilfangs.

Tigole · 04/12/07, 12:25 PM

my point is that there are MANY changes incoming. reserve judgement until all of the information is available and then TEST THEM OUT on the test server while we can make changes!

Margot · 04/12/07, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Tigole

--Flask powers have been GREATLY reduced.
--Reagent costs for flasks have been ****GREATLY**** reduced.
--Flasks take up both your offenseive AND defensive elixir slots. 1 Flask or 2 elixirs -- you choose.
--Raid DPS has gone up (Glancing Blow and Class Changes)
--Encounters where DPS was not a "flasking factor" (i.e. tuned around the HP flasks, elixir of mastery, defense etc). will be retuned.

Wow. I wish that was the first 2.1.0 preview posted. Raiding for fun is back!

Originally Posted by Tigole

Raiders will have access to easy-to-access flasks in SSC, TK, Hyjal and Black Temple. Dungeon goers will have easy access to potions in Coilfang and TK 5-mans.

For example, 1 Coilfang Armament = 1 super mana potion (zone specific) in the coilfangs.

Trash drops = consumables? I love you. Hell, I can even learn to love trash.

Lithose · 04/12/07, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Tigole

--Flask powers have been GREATLY reduced.
--Reagent costs for flasks have been ****GREATLY**** reduced.
--Flasks take up both your offenseive AND defensive elixir slots. 1 Flask or 2 elixirs -- you choose.
--Raid DPS has gone up (Glancing Blow and Class Changes)
--Encounters where DPS was not a "flasking factor" (i.e. tuned around the HP flasks, elixir of mastery, defense etc). will be retuned.

Tigole, man, if you greatly reduced the power and the *reagents* so flasks only have the benefit of lasting through death, you are really awsome.

I don't think you can blame people for freaking out though, you know, as well as any poster on this board that the problem is *that bad* right now..Giving such a small snipet without these other changes was pretty rediclous, of course people were freaking.

I know there is probably a lot of red tape, but man, how hard could it have been to get this information out with the preveiw? (thats not sarcasim btw, I know its probably something like your bosses bosses boss tells you not to, or your marketing dept ect.)

Anyway man, thanks, raiding looks like its back to the fun

mek · 04/12/07, 12:27 PM

The one point that STILL remains completely untouched is chain mana potting, which was probably the single greatest source of consumable power for healers... is this to remain? I suppose they'll at least be massively cheaper due to the decreased herb demand.

edit: sorry, missed the bit about turnins for flasks/potions. This is an incredible and comprehensive change. This patch will be worshipped for generations to come.

Mearis · 04/12/07, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Tigole

my point is that there are MANY changes incoming. reserve judgement until all of the information is available and then TEST THEM OUT on the test server while we can make changes!

Understood, but do you understand how a statement like "all raids will be tuned with each player having one flask" can be interpreted incorrectly without you giving the rest of the information?

Rest is great, thank you very much!

xerkos · 04/12/07, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Tigole

--Flask powers have been GREATLY reduced.
--Reagent costs for flasks have been ****GREATLY**** reduced.
--Flasks take up both your offenseive AND defensive elixir slots. 1 Flask or 2 elixirs -- you choose.
--Raid DPS has gone up (Glancing Blow and Class Changes)
--Encounters where DPS was not a "flasking factor" (i.e. tuned around the HP flasks, elixir of mastery, defense etc). will be retuned.

Thank you.

Those first two actually make a HUGE difference, and change considerably the perceived balance issues people have been complaining about in this thread. I wish they had been added to the original preview, although I can unserstand not wanting to rile up the masses on the main boards with that kind of "nerf" information.

thebuddha · 04/12/07, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Tigole

Some of you are jumping to pretty drastic conclusions here. The community team posted a tradeskill "PREVIEW". They did not post the entire patch notes. The changes listed are by no means the extent of the changes going into the patch. They are a mere preview of *SOME* of the changes to come.

I'm working with them to release more information or to refrain from posting future previews that cause this kind of uproar and confusion.

Fair enough; perhaps we've been a bit eager to critique what 2.1 will and won't be. You have to keep in mind though that it has been a LONG time since the last content patch so it's understandable that people are a bit antsy.

The main thing is that 2.1 has been built up to fix so many things that no matter how much you (Blizzard) do there's going to be waves up people left disappointed.

Edit: Wow, nm those changes are awesome!

Charsi · 04/12/07, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Tigole

Raiders will have access to easy-to-access flasks in SSC, TK, Hyjal and Black Temple. Dungeon goers will have easy access to potions in Coilfang and TK 5-mans.

It's amazing how far a few little tidbits that directly address concerns can go. Raiding going some lengths to providing (or creating easy access) to it's own consumables is a dramatic and welcome change.

Quigon · 04/12/07, 12:29 PM

In the past though Jeff, you guys generally haven't added much after the "previews." Considering this is a huge point, it is important to discuss it.

I can't even begin to say what a relief it is to read this page on this forum - I mean a serious emotional relief (is that sad?). The list above is just impressively good, and the easy access for 5 mans vs 25 mans... good lord.

ayb · 04/12/07, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Tigole

--Flask powers have been GREATLY reduced.
--Reagent costs for flasks have been ****GREATLY**** reduced.
--Flasks take up both your offenseive AND defensive elixir slots. 1 Flask or 2 elixirs -- you choose.
--Raid DPS has gone up (Glancing Blow and Class Changes)
--Encounters where DPS was not a "flasking factor" (i.e. tuned around the HP flasks, elixir of mastery, defense etc). will be retuned.

Have mat costs for elixirs gone down as well? It still seems silly to use 2 elixirs in lieu of a flask which will last through death.

Nite_Moogle · 04/12/07, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Tigole

Some of you are jumping to pretty drastic conclusions here. The community team posted a tradeskill "PREVIEW". They did not post the entire patch notes. The changes listed are by no means the extent of the changes going into the patch. They are a mere preview of *SOME* of the changes to come.

I'm working with them to release more information or to refrain from posting future previews that cause this kind of uproar and confusion.

Well, to be fair it's really hard to form an accurate opinion other than "wait and see" without complete information, so it's hard to blame people for getting upset about things that they see as incomplete fixes when they don't have all the right information. Thanks a lot for the updated information and continuing to put up with us.

Also, we love you. Somebody get this man a proper frozen moses avatar.

my point is that there are MANY changes incoming. reserve judgement until all of the information is available and then TEST THEM OUT on the test server while we can make changes!

We'll be more than happy to if you provide us with a 2.1 test server

Darkchani · 04/12/07, 12:30 PM

That is alot more information, thanks Tigole.

That does make me wonder tho, are there any plan to add maybe more BoP things to Alchemy ? the alchemist's stone is rather lackluster for many classes compared to the benefits of being a tailor, enchanter or JCer for example.