Hi!

We basicly decided to relieve from the stress that the current trash situation is giving us in SSC/The Eye and we went to Naxxramas tonight and basicly cleared up to Sapphiron. I was wondering if anyone has actually gone there at lvl 70 and visited Sapphiron and is able to tell me if there is still a need for Frost Resistance gear on everyone in the raid for this guy.

Basicly Naxx at 70 was quite fun, trash was no issue and we basicly AoEd everything - only boss that was still "hard" was Thaddius because people can actually still kill eachother on it and you need people to stay alive for the buff. All the rest was a pushover really.

So. Frost Resistance still required? Oh and sorry for creating a thread about this, but the search did not give me any results.

There was a thread about this somewhere, but I can't seem to find it, either. However, I do recall it being stated that the raid still needed a decent amount of FrR for this encounter.

I have not, so I apologize in advance for answering this without firsthand experience; but numerous other posts have claimed clearing rapidly to Sapphiron, then hitting a road block because the raid did not bring the necessary Frost Resist.

I don't know what level of resist you'd need, what the cap would be (i'd assume 365 now?)... or what really you can expect to take in damage. But bring FrR if you plan to kill Sapphiron.

Yeah, you're still gonna need full resist. We killed Kel Thuzad pre expack, but didn't manage to get Sapphiron down @ 70 the one time we tried to clear Naxx. We only had time for 2 attempts, but it appears you need the level 70 resist cap of 365, which we didn't have.

Bleh, rather harsh to need 365. I assume it can be done with less? I mean, we have enough runes for the Naxx frost res gear, but there is little other stuff we can farm really.

Yes you still need frost resist, we didn't kill kel before TBC so we went back after to do it. We've killed him 2 times as lv70 and you can definately tell who has frost resist and who doesn't as a healer. even at 275ish buffed I only get 125-200 resist most of the time.

We've done Saph a few times @70.

Yes, you will still need a decent amount of FrR to do Saph. ~200 seemed to be fine for most of the raid

Although you will have about 2k more hp per person in the raid, I'd imagine your not gonna be fielding 15 healers in Naxx nowadays. So this is still a relatively diffucult fight to heal on. Also keep in mind your Draenei and Blood Elfs will not have access to a few pieces of FrR that most have already like Ramaldni and FrR pants, so they will be a little bit more of a mana drain.

Yeah, we did it with much less, but with none you'd be in big trouble. If it's a guild run, just use your old Frozen Runes to make half an FrR suit for everybody (or however much you can).

killed sapphiron with a few people in decent rost resistance (like 300), and the rest of the raid in whatever green 'of frost protection' and various jewelcrafted stuff to hit about 150 unbuffed
that was more than enough to kill him, thru smart use of shaman totems, paladin auras and ofcourse, not getting killed in his airfases

You definitely need decent frost resistance for Sapph, there's no real way around that. What makes it a little bit easier is the fact that the lvl 70 frost resist greens are pretty spiffy and make good alternatives to the crafted stuff. When we went back and did him, I think we averaged around 160 FR across the raid (which is a days work or so at most), though the cured rugged hides can be a bit of a bastard if you're starting from scratch with the crafted stuff.

Naturally it helps having everyone at nearly twice as much hp without any world buffs/consumables. It's perfectly doable with frost resist gear and nothing else. KT is a pretty funny experience, especially if you'd not been there before - phase 1 being a pushover, phase 2 and 3 most certainly not.

edit: goddamn you neme

Yeah, that's the plan.

There was a bit of discussion about Sapphiron in this thread: TBC & Naxx Raids

I'm rather curious - why?
If he requires actual preparation like other raid zones, why kill him for level 90 epics? I see how Fortitude of the scourge is better than the Shattrath shoulder enchants, but the other 3 are almost equal.
Are there any other items I'm missing? Surely it can't be KT, all he drops are weapons which get replaced in Karazhan

For fun, for the chance to see the completion of a zone that was the pinnacle of raiding pre-TBC. Walking in and seeing 4-H was pretty neat. If you blow thru the zone with 30 good people, you make a decent amount of coin too -- and look ma, no consumables!

We've done Sapphiron twice at level 70 and everyone is required to have around 200 unbuffed FrR. It works well for us and, from reading the other posts here, seems to indeed be the optimal number everyone should aim around.

As for why? Some of the items are still genuinly useful, the fight is one so fun that everyone should experience it and, most importantly of all, you get to finish what you started all those months ago.

Even at 70, killing Kel'Thuzad felt very fulfilling (and infinitly raised my respect for anybody that killed him at 60).

Sapphiron items and the random tidbits here and there. Also 2 people in our guild have an uncompleted Atiesh, so.

Yes, you still need frost resist, but you don't need to max it out. Since the 10 levels on the raid means more hp buffer, higher dps, faster healing, more healer mana etc etc you can get by with a lot less than 365. As to the exact amount needed it depends a lot on how many healers and shadowpriests you have. I definately think it's possible to kill him entirely without frost resist gear if you stack up on a lot of priests, both holy and shadow. If you bring a "balanced" 40-man raid i think yu should aim for everyone having at least 150 unbuffed, but more is better all the way up to 365 buffed.

I'd say the average on our kill was probably about 160 FrR unbuffed. Sapph (and KT if you've never done it) is the real challenge of Naxx at 70. 4H which we had attempted a few times before we stopped at 60 fell over in just a few minutes when we met them again, but Sapph took a couple hours of attempts.

We had I believe 4 decursers for ~35 people, and it seemed that the life drain was far more deadly than the frost aura. The sheer DPS of a level 70 raid makes healer mana not much of an issue, so I suspect that you could get by with very little resist gear if you have a lot mages and druids.

You definately need the resists because sapph counts as a level 73 mob for the purposes of hitting/resistance, etc. The fight though defeinately isn't bad using a few greens here and there for FR, because your hp pools and mana pools are sooooo much higher than they were at 60.

Honestly, if you're done with Kara, mag and gruul... I'd honestly suggest you spend some guild time clearing Naxx if you haven't. Its a MUCH better way to spend your time than clearing trash in SSC. Naxx is... was... the best raid zone Blizzard ever produced. Its what raiding should be. Fun, fresh, difficult, REWARDING. Yes there was heavy consumable usage in naxx, but unlike current content, it was rewarded. I STILL use some naxx items because the current content designeres forgot about rewarding players for putting up with their bullshit.

It just boggles my mind everytime I zone into SSC. Who designed this? The 'new' guy? Its like they took everything they learned from naxx, in creating the pinacle of raiding... and threw it in the garbage.

I would guess you could do it with minimal frost resist gear and a shadow priest in every group, but as I said that's just a guess.

I think the shadow priest(s) would inevitably pull aggro and die. Particularly when you consider air phases where the MT can't build threat.

If a well-geared shadow priest has VE healing a full group constantly, no tank can outaggro that -- it's just too much threat.

I recall people telling me they had shadow priests healing groups on sapphiron back in 2.0 before TBC - so I don't know about that. It certainly does seem like it would be hard to manage from a threat perspective, though.