New Flask Stats - Page 4

Darksaber · 04/13/07, 7:57 AM

Originally Posted by Thelyna

Does that mean +130 healing for 12 seconds (ala a mini-amp), or 130 dmg healed over 12 seconds? If it's the latter, it works out to on average 13 healing extra on a spell cast. Whoop-de-f'n-doo. Libram of Souls Redeemed, where are you?

The judgement dot is pretty mediocre too .. 57.5 damage on average per judgement? or, best-case, 7.something DPS. I'd rather have Libram of Avengement, for keeping up our new stacking Vengeance (because Seal of Vengeance works so well too...). Hopefully they make Vengeance refreshed on any melee swing (not just a crit), otherwise it's gunna fall over more often than I do while ice skating.

Well, the first thing that I thought of when I saw that trinket was "8 pc Trans", meaning I would hope that it would scale with +damage and +healing. Otherwise I agree with you that it's horrible.

suicuique · 04/13/07, 7:59 AM

Originally Posted by Brissa

Ok there is one thing i just dont get.
The number of herbs required for flasks were cut in third for all herbs except fel lotus.
To compensate that the fel lotus ammount isnt being cut in third (because there is only one) they are increasing the droprate by 15%?
Uhm... to keep it in line with the other herbs shouldnt it be increased by 200%?

Not if the original droprate of fel lotus (as you know it can be randomly found when picking a herb) was around 5%.

Upping it up by 15% points would then in fact quadruple the number of fel loti.

As on a related note ... black loti spawns to be changed? If not this severely cripples the cost of old flask (like supreme power).

Brissa · 04/13/07, 8:05 AM

Originally Posted by suicuique

Not if the original droprate of fel lotus (as you know it can be randomly found when picking a herb) was around 5%.

Upping it up by 15% points would then in fact quadruple the number of fel loti.

As on a related note ... black loti spawns to be changed? If not this severely cripples the cost of old flask (like supreme power).

Ah of course, if thats what they mean then it makes sense.

dodga · 04/13/07, 8:16 AM

Sorry for the derail, but I just have to mention this...

Originally Posted by Ayr

It's a tradeoff between DPS and DPM, and usually not worth it. SW:P is an expensive spell and if you spam it you run oom in 1 min flat. Mana that would be better used on a CoS + 5/5 Shadoweaving + VT'd target so you benefit most out of it. You simply can't afford to DoT multiple targets in any long fight.

I agree that spamming SW:P on multiple targets does not make much sense (because you'll be OOM pretty soon).
But I wonder if the trinket procs from ANY damage SW:P deals.
SW:P rank 1 costs barely any mana, so keeping that up on several mobs while nuking the main target could help keeping the proc up.
Let's just all hope...

Phoe · 04/13/07, 8:48 AM

Originally Posted by Chicken

Unless Blizzard is dumber than I'd expected, I'd guess the elixir changes planned count for all elixirs out there, not just the new ones introduced in the expansion, so you'd have a hard time using a flask and a mageblood potion together.

Well i just thought that a Mageblood potion wouldn't count as an elixir. ^^

http://www.thottbot.com/i20007

Guess Blizz may well screw me on that though, oh well

Skulli · 04/13/07, 9:40 AM

can only hope they adjust some of the current encounters with the flask/elixir changes and not only future ones.

Schnappi · 04/13/07, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Skulli

can only hope they adjust some of the current encounters with the flask/elixir changes and not only future ones.

Seeing as they will change Hydross from 250 to 500% marks I think they will retune SSC and up. Then we have the BEM flasks for Gruul and Maulgar if you need them. Does anyone know already how to get these?

• Snowy · 04/13/07, 12:51 PM

I'll dot 2 channelers next to each other on Magtheridon to start, but if you start passing out SWPS like candy you'll run out of mana really fast. It's not a cheap spell.

Azaranth · 04/13/07, 4:31 PM

Originally Posted by Brissa

Ok there is one thing i just dont get.
The number of herbs required for flasks were cut in third for all herbs except fel lotus.
To compensate that the fel lotus ammount isnt being cut in third (because there is only one) they are increasing the droprate by 15%?
Uhm... to keep it in line with the other herbs shouldnt it be increased by 200%?

I believe the buff rate was buffed to 15%, not by 15%.

Kody · 04/13/07, 5:05 PM

Regardless of what Mageblood Potion is called, it's classified as a Guardian Elixir.

Thezilch · 04/13/07, 5:27 PM

Originally Posted by Snowy

I'll dot 2 channelers next to each other on Magtheridon to start, but if you start passing out SWPS like candy you'll run out of mana really fast. It's not a cheap spell.

Black Lotus alternative for Supreme Power? At AH prices, I am almost considering just popping Shadow Powers on WIPE nights. I wouldn't even consider farming the plant (even if I were an herbalist). Time is of the essence, and I can procure gold faster through not farming Black Lotus (Azeroth).

Grub · 04/13/07, 7:19 PM

Originally Posted by Bliss

The feral proc on the druid trinket compared to the proc on the warrior trinket is pretty insulting. 60% higher proc rate, 150% more strength vs 50% more duration and a worthless heal proc. Not to mention that the warrior one is pretty worthless for protection, and the feral one is great for all 3 specs.

Whats the cooldown on those various warrior abilities that can proc the buff? The druid one procs off of one ability with a six second cooldown in bear form, or (approximately) a four second cooldown in cat form. In general, however, in cat form you will spend most of your time shredding and only refresh mangle every 12 seconds.

Cryect · 04/13/07, 7:24 PM

6 Seconds on all those warrior abilities.

• Tharas · 04/13/07, 9:53 PM

Originally Posted by Cryect

6 Seconds on all those warrior abilities.

Talented MS (deep arms tree) is 5 seconds, but yea, otherwise 6 seconds for all.

Midnight · 04/15/07, 6:28 AM

Can someone post a complete list of Elixirs and wether they´re offensive or defensive? I couldn´t find this kind of information on this board or any other source so far.

chrull · 04/15/07, 7:20 AM

Originally Posted by Midnight

Can someone post a complete list of Elixirs and wether they´re offensive or defensive? I couldn´t find this kind of information on this board or any other source so far.

Check this thread: 2.1 Alchemy

Jamor · 04/15/07, 12:22 PM

I have to agree with many of the posters in this thread: This change is for the best.

I am very excited that I don't have to farm for hours, or spend hundreds of gold to prepare for a couple nights of raiding. The new buffs will be a slight enhancement, which I always thought alchemy buffs should be.

This patch will probably intrusive as hell, and potentially interrupt raiding for a short time, depending on bugs and balancing, but I eagerly await it.