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Old 04/15/07, 9:32 PM   #1
Solstone
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New Darkmoon Cards

Pulled this off the forums, didn't see it posted already:

[Darkmoon Card: Vengeance] (Ace - Eight of Furies)
You have a 10% chance when hit by an attack or harmful spell to deal 95 to 115 holy damage to your attacker.

[Darkmoon Card: Wrath] (Ace - Eight of Storms)
Each time one of your direct damage attacks does not critically strike, you gain 17 critical strike rating and 17 spell critical strike rating for the next 10 sec. This effect is consumed when you deal a critical strike. (Stacks up to 20 times)

[Darkmoon Card: Crusade] (Ace - Eight of Blessings)
Each time you deal melee damage to an opponent, you gain 6 attack power for the next 10 sec., stacking up to 20 times. Each time you land a harmful spell on an opponent, you gain 8 spell damage for the next 10 sec., stacking up to 10 times.

[Darkmoon Card: Madness] (Ace - Eight of Lunacy)
Each time you land a killing blow on an enemy, you gain the Power of Madness. (no idea what this proc does)

I'm kind of disappointed that there isn't one for healers, and I'm not sure which are passive and which are activated.

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Old 04/15/07, 9:36 PM   #2
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Looks nice. I'm sure hoping at least one of them works for ranged attacks (although it seems likely seeing the descriptions).

I like the Wrath one most myself, follow-up with the Blessing. Considering my shot rotations, either of those is going to be up a lot.

You reckon Wrath will be Passive, On Use or just a hidden cooldown?

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Old 04/15/07, 9:37 PM   #3
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Crusade and Wrath *have* to be on use effects.

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Old 04/15/07, 9:41 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Spades View Post
Crusade and Wrath *have* to be on use effects.
Indeed. Or "Chance on X", with a lengthy hidden cooldown.

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Old 04/15/07, 9:41 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Spades View Post
Crusade and Wrath *have* to be on use effects.
Not wrath, but crusade should be, or it'll just go away after the 10 charges and 10 seconds have passed. So it's like a rampage that ends when you get to the final stack ... probably.

Wrath effect is consumed on the actual crit, so it's like a mini combustion. With a bit of theorycrafting it wouldn't surprise me if the -actual- damage increase on that trinket is lower than something like blackhands breadth. The more crit chance you got the worse it is aswell.

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Old 04/15/07, 9:45 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Spades View Post
Crusade and Wrath *have* to be on use effects.
well crusade is a +120 AP trinket that takes a few seconds to "charge up"

by comparison, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29383 is a +70 AP trinket with a +270 AP use effect that can be up for 1/6th of the time, averaging out to +115 AP

personally I'd rather wear the brooch to combine with timers like deathwish, or to use at key "dps in" moments

it's strange that it gives more spell damage than AP, though. I thought spell damage was valued more highly in the budget

edit: yeah that's really weird, it's a much better caster DPS trinket than melee

edit edit: im dumb

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Old 04/15/07, 9:48 PM   #7
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Wrath for a fire mage will overall only boost crit chances by around 2.25% (3 charges) before a geared fire mage (33% crit) will reset the buff. Not much different than any of the other crit trinkets available. Definitely would use Xiri's Gift (32 passive crit rating, 150 dmg on use).

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Old 04/15/07, 9:49 PM   #8
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[Darkmoon Card: Crusade] (Ace - Eight of Blessings)
Each time you deal melee damage to an opponent, you gain 6 attack power for the next 10 sec., stacking up to 20 times. Each time you land a harmful spell on an opponent, you gain 8 spell damage for the next 10 sec., stacking up to 10 times.
Am I wrong to be a bit peeved that hunters get ignored yet again?

it's strange that it gives more spell damage than AP, though. I thought spell damage was valued more highly in the budget
The spell damage only stacks 10 times for a total of 80 spell damage.

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Old 04/15/07, 9:54 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Fogbug View Post
well crusade is a +120 AP trinket that takes a few seconds to "charge up"

by comparison, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29383 is a +70 AP trinket with a +270 AP use effect that can be up for 1/6th of the time, averaging out to +115 AP

personally I'd rather wear the brooch to combine with timers like deathwish, or to use at key "dps in" moments

it's strange that it gives more spell damage than AP, though. I thought spell damage was valued more highly in the budget

edit: yeah that's really weird, it's a much better caster DPS trinket than melee
80 spell damage vs 120 AP, I guess. Still, someone who's dual-wielding (i.e a rogue) will charge it up real quick, so it'll essentially be a permanent +120 AP. Not the *best* trinket out there, but seriously strong if it's passive.

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Old 04/15/07, 9:56 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Spades View Post
80 spell damage vs 120 AP, I guess. Still, someone who's dual-wielding (i.e a rogue) will charge it up real quick, so it'll essentially be a permanent +120 AP. Not the *best* trinket out there, but seriously strong if it's passive.
yeah, it's decent. about where I'd expect them to put the card trinkets

unless it's not passive, in which case it's crap

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Old 04/15/07, 9:59 PM   #11
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I'm hoping the "power of madness" ends up being a random buff/summoned pet

i.e I whirlwind some morogrim murlocs and turn into a tentacle + a pet infernal falls from the sky

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Old 04/15/07, 10:02 PM   #12
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I hope Power of Madness turns you into a huge monster like the ZG fist set.

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Old 04/15/07, 10:11 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Solstone View Post
[Darkmoon Card: Vengeance] (Ace - Eight of Storms)
You have a 10% chance when hit by an attack or harmful spell to deal 95 to 115 holy damage to your attacker.

essence of the pure flame
Equip: When struck in combat inflicts 13 Fire damage to the attacker.

Vengeance:
[(95+115)/2]*.1=10,5 damage to the attacker on average.

A worthy successor of Romeo's Poison Vial in terms of usefulness. Let's hope it scales with spellpower.

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Old 04/15/07, 10:11 PM   #14
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as for spell casters,

Crusade = +80dmg after charging up. (going to take 20-30s to get there for an affliction lock, during which time you'll get a week CoD + first set of dots)

Icon of the Silver Crescent = 42+153/6 = 67.5dmg , but you get control on the burst of +dmg. Thats king for affliction allowing you to get two sets of boosted UA/corr + a curse of doom in the duration of the on use.

The crusade card is maybe slightly better but nothing to cry nerf about imo.

As for the crit trinket, seems very weak. Especially with high >25% crit. Going to average out at about +1-2% crit, not done any proper numbers on it.

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Old 04/15/07, 10:15 PM   #15
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Is the minimum level to equip these less than 70?

Originally Posted by Fogbug View Post
by comparison, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29383 is a +70 AP trinket with a +270 AP use effect that can be up for 1/6th of the time, averaging out to +115 AP

personally I'd rather wear the brooch to combine with timers like deathwish, or to use at key "dps in" moments
Darkmoon cards are a bit easier to assemble than 25+ heroic badges... (At least, after the initial rush dies out.)

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Old 04/15/07, 10:20 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by Solstone View Post
Pulled this off the forums, didn't see it posted already:
Do you have a link?

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Old 04/15/07, 10:24 PM   #17
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http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...96141668&sid=1

oh and vengence = pala tank ?

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Old 04/15/07, 10:29 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by Spades View Post
80 spell damage vs 120 AP, I guess. Still, someone who's dual-wielding (i.e a rogue) will charge it up real quick, so it'll essentially be a permanent +120 AP. Not the *best* trinket out there, but seriously strong if it's passive.
Probably take somewhere in the ballpark of 15 seconds to charge up for a dual-wielding rogue. And with a 10 second duration it will fall off quite easily in any sort of in-and-out fight.

Seems quite reasonably balanced, to me, for an epic-but-effectively-purchasable trinket.

Originally Posted by Vodrin View Post
oh and vengence = pala tank ?
Well I guess the threat from Vengeance will be boosted by Righteous Fury.

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Old 04/15/07, 10:30 PM   #19
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My guess on Power of Madness

Portal of Madness
Opens a portal into the Twisting Nether that periodically summons demonic minions to aid the caster in battle for 14 sec.

http://thottbot.com/test/s24621

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Old 04/15/07, 10:35 PM   #20
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Maybe it summons an edge of madness boss to fight for you.

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Old 04/15/07, 10:38 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by Cryect View Post
My guess on Power of Madness

Portal of Madness
Opens a portal into the Twisting Nether that periodically summons demonic minions to aid the caster in battle for 14 sec.

http://thottbot.com/test/s24621
that would be awesome, especially if it summons lots of monsters, and the monsters all count for the purposes of the card

so two warriors with the card equipped fighting eachother would just keep opening more and more portals

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Old 04/15/07, 10:51 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by Vodrin View Post
Sure, if said Pala tank really wants to give up a mitigation trinket for a little more threat... when they already struggle to hit the Crushing cap. :P

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Old 04/15/07, 11:35 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by Cryect View Post
My guess on Power of Madness

Portal of Madness
Opens a portal into the Twisting Nether that periodically summons demonic minions to aid the caster in battle for 14 sec.

http://thottbot.com/test/s24621
Considering how many monsters/bosses have secondary attacks that just randomly pick someone to bolt, this trinket has huge potential to work
out being great support to soak up damage while adding dps.

In my opinion, it will boil down to whether or not they'll have a smart AI controlling them. Would be great if they were smart like Thrall in terms of
ignoring monsters that are crowd-controlled, but at the same time horrible if they charged nearby groups of monsters and added even more to your pull.


Originally Posted by Emily View Post
Sure, if said Pala tank really wants to give up a mitigation trinket for a little more threat... when they already struggle to hit the Crushing cap. :P
Not something you'd have on your boss tanking set, but definetaly not too shabby on pulls where you'd have a decent amount of monsters beating on you, all while none of them are high enough to crush you. We need parses to see if spelldmg works on it.

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Old 04/15/07, 11:39 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by Eylirria View Post
In my opinion, it will boil down to whether or not they'll have a smart AI controlling them. Would be great if they were smart like Thrall in terms of
ignoring monsters that are crowd-controlled, but at the same time horrible if they charged nearby groups of monsters and added even more to your pull.
I've been leveling my mage and I did an escort quest (the one where you save the cow from the Grimtotem in 1kn) and any mob I poly'd was not attacked (and sometimes even ignored, which was kinda bad cause she walked past into another group).

So no worries there.

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Old 04/16/07, 12:13 AM   #25
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Originally Posted by Eylirria View Post
Considering how many monsters/bosses have secondary attacks that just randomly pick someone to bolt, this trinket has huge potential to work
out being great support to soak up damage while adding dps.
Blizzard have been actively fixing boss targetting though, mostly due to various snake trap abuses.

Edit: As far as the madness trinket goes, that portal spell is already in the live version, as is the "arcane madness" aura that gives +spell damage and one . It could be that those were put in in advance and that one or more of them is going to be the madness proc, or it could be that they're completely unrelated.

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