Have you ever seen a priest use a shadowfiend when there is a poly up? Those things seem to have a tendency to run for the polymorph mob even if there is a mob being tanked closer to the priest.

5g says the Power of Madness buff has "THIS IS MADNESS" as it's discription.

Having both melee and caster benefits on a single trinkets are great for Enhancement Shaman, as we get the caster stuff as a nice little side bonus. I wonder how long the Wrath and Crusade effects are up for (surely they would not be passive Equip bonuses).

Pretty sure they're going to make the tooltip "THIS IS BLASPHEMY!".

So you just need to make an addon that yells "THIS IS SPARTA!" everytime your trinket procs?

Crusade sounds quite nice but I really think that it's on use, if it's just up for a few secs (10-15) I don't think that it's worth the costs.

Gonna take a look if I can find something more about it.

Definately an On Equip buff not On Use.

http://thottbot.com/test/s39438

And for the other two

http://thottbot.com/test/s39442
http://thottbot.com/test/?sp=39444

Is it just me, or does Vengeance seem horribly weak, weaker than Essence of Pure the Flame. Maybe if it scales with spell damage ... otherwise 9-12 average damage is rather pathetic.

Crusade seems absolutely disgusting for a mage. Are the various trinkets floating around now really better than a constant +80 spell damage?

Vengence is very weak, as someone in my guild mentioned the only way he sees it being used for prot paladins but it really is bad by design.

No. Not close. This shit was really fucking annoying, and I thought they were done with it. My guild is working on Vashj, and we don't have access to any trinket of this quality. Three months after the expansion, the best raiding trinket in the game should not be purchasable off the auction house. This should be a basic tenet of raid itemization. This should be canon.

Let me put it another way - this trinket is just another consumable. It provides me with an advantage I cannot get anywhere else. The only way to procure this advantage is to farm for it. The process of procuring it has nothing to do with the raid game, nothing to do with skill, nothing to do with anything fun. Just another fucking flask. What's the point of eliminating the consumable problem when you just reintroduce it in another form?

The lack of understanding, the fundamental lack of awareness, required to implement something like this is completely off the charts. One trinket is not the end of the world, but the misguided design philosophy that spawned it annoys me a hundred times more than anything that showed up in the patch notes.

so, bloodlust Brooch has 115 passive AP 70+((270x20)/120)
A warrior Dualwielding 2.6speed weapons with flurry up would have an attackspeed of 1.95, that's around 5 attacks/10s with each weapon, so 10 attacks + specials.
lets say you get to use some hamstring also for extra stacks, but I doubt it will ever go above 15 for a warrior unless he chooses to use daggers (duh)
15 stacks= 90ap

and for casters, if a firemage spam scorch without delay he will get cast 6 spells/10s = 48 spelldamage, not very impressive at all

My assumption (and correct me if this is foundless) is that the trinket is a passive trinket with a buff that refreshes its duration every time it stacks. This would lead to the trinket being an almost constant 120 AP or 80 spell damage unless something in the encounter forced me to withdraw from melee range for ten seconds.

That's the way I interpreted it as well, and it's been my experience that that's how other stacking trinkets work(e.g. the -AC one from AQ40 that's sitting in my bank, for example).

So essentially it's the same quality as bloodlust brooch. Only you need a little ramp up time(or a lot depending on encounter) and you're not unloading it all into 20 seconds.

Seems nice, but nothing stellar nor weaksauce. Basically it's in the same class as the old darkmoon trinkets were: great for people who prefer farming, but just okay for the heroic runners and raiders.

And I'd say it absolutely has to be passive; if it's a use with no passive attribute then it'd be totally useless. You could get better quest rewards even pre-70.

What made you think they were done with this? Frozen shadoweave is still far and away superior to any other items for those slots.

I agree with you, but I didn't think they were done with this yet...

While until someone gets the trinket we can't be absolutely sure, your reading of the ability seems unlikely (and no-one would use the trinket ever if you're right).

It would seem that's it's a passive ability, always on, so the stack will refresh as long as you keep hitting. The AP/spell damage will go away if you don't hit at all for 10 seconds (which can happen in some fights), and you never have it at the start of a fight unless you have some handy rats to beat up, but as long as you're doing sustained DPS you'll have the maximum stack running. So for a mage, he'll have +80 spell damage from about 20-30 seconds into the fight onwards, but lose it if there's a 10 second break in DPS for any reason.

heel: it's very different to the consumable problem. Consumables you had to keep getting over and over and the power level difference was enormous. Getting this trinket will probably be a matter of farming/money (although I expect the Ace to be an instance drop- maybe even a heroic instance drop), but if so it's a one-off cost and the difference is not enormous, especially when you consider how useful burst trinkets often are (e.g. when you need to kill some ad spawn, lining up with bloodlust, lining up with bonus damage periods, etc and when you consider the lag time in building up this trinket's bonus... average sustained DPS is not all its cracked up to be.)

I put this together, it should be the expected value of added crit % with this trinket, based on your crit rate without the trinket.



So if you have 43% crit, you get 1% from the trinket.
~26.6% crit => 2% crit
~18.95% crit => 3% crit

and yea, disregard the spell crit titles since the trinket is melee crit or spell crit

What formula are you using to make that graph?

basically,

i made a column of crit values from 5% to 50%.

first off, it starts calculating based on a cast not critting, thus activating the trinket. Then it's pretty much a series that will add your crit(in rating) + (17*N stacks of the trinket). It will keep going until it surpasses 100%, cause that would be the expected value of getting a crit. Extrapolate to see where it hits 100% exactly, and thus you get the curve.

For example: 15% spell crit yields:
%spell crit: 15
rating: 331.5
after 1 stack: 30.76923077
after 2 stack: 47.30769231
after 3 stack: 64.61538462
after 4 stack: 82.69230769
after 5 stack: 101.5384615
stack@100%: 4.92
added crit $: 3.78

So it keeps adding the expected value of getting a crit based on each cast you dont crit till you should get your crit (100%)

someone mined the Madness card:

Opens a portal into the Twisting Nether that periodically summons demonic minions to aid the caster in battle for 14 sec.

only procs when you get a killing blow on someone. I wonder what kind of demons you get, great card for a warlock RPer

The Wrath card is interesting on an Affliction Warlock or Shadow Priest, if the stacking works with DoTs and channeled spells that can't crit. Pure theorycraft until one is actually made and it's still only a minor benefit to those classes. Possibly the best situation would be with Improved Shadow Bolt and Affliction, but Warlock and Priest DPS theorycraft is not something I've ever dealt with.

The fact that it says "direct damage attacks" leads me to believe that this would not work.