Is there atually KTM version that works right with this fight or its just "turn it off when pulling, not gonna work anyway"? Cause it showed some kind of aggro drop after the knockbacks, but he was still beating me even when I was n12 on aggro or something like that.

Pretty sure there is a built in function for KTM to change that sort of thing.

Our tauren found this too, shortly followed by a big ball of arcane goodness that DID reach all the melee

/ktm b s knockaway default multiplier 0.75

Kenco knows (I believe) about the value, so I'd assume it will make it in near-future KTM build.

Melee can eat the ground slam no problem without any resist gear at all. This fight was boasted about being anti melee, but our melee top the meter without any issues. It is a tank and spank fight and a class that has the best threat wipe in the game means they don't have to worry about pulling aggro at all. We once tried to have them sit at max range to dps and for some reason they got bombed, so we just have them eat all the damage.

Casters have to dodge the sparks he tosses out, warlocks cannot use siphon or life drain... Melee win this fight.

2 Shaman and myself were able to keep our melee DPS up (3 rogues, 2 Warriors) without any issues. This fight is very very trivial from a healing perspective (tank and melee healing).

I use Mending, Renew and a bit more Gheal 2 on our latest kill while our shaman just spam easy heal and dominate the healing meter.

We killed him with 24 on our first kill because it was so late one of our Priests had to go to bed.

The trash leading up to him is pretty simple if you use LoS in the doorways so you aren't eating too much damage from the saws, also pop heroism every pull you can because they take forever to kill. The arcane golems have way too many hitpoints and does nothing but slow you down, sigh, gotta love BC Tier 5 raiding. If you want an easy set of tier 5 drops though, Void Reaver is it. No flasks, no raid stacking, just a straight up encounter.

Thanks for all the replies over the weeks. We finally went in last week and found it to be much as everyone else reported. It was no problem for our shaman to chain heal and keep the 2 rogues alive. My fellow stabber and myself topped the meters along with one truly OP warlock. A mage who was on a streak of no resists was way out in front for a while, but he got insta-gibbed. Free t5 shoulders is nice. Now to try Solarian.

The knockback is too easily avoidable in certain sets of tank gear where 20%+ dodge / 20% + parry are achievable, especially with Moroes / Alacrity trinkets and consumables. It's also only 25%, so a 4 tank cycle could go on almost indefinitely if you had a WF / 2 tank / feral druid / GOA group. I think most enrage timers are in the game not as mechanics to actually force amazing DPS, but to force good play so that 10 people don't die before 50% and you limp through a kill after 30 minutes of fighting, which would be easily possible with Void Reaver or Karathress. The fights without enrage timers are fights with other natural limits that can't be cheesed with luck / gear sets like Gruul's Growth, Magtheridon's Cubes, or add waves like Solarian/Tidewalker.
It's also why certain fights like Hydross are seen as ridiculously out of line in comparison.



And Buiden, I phrased that wrong, I meant after the initial tank cycle is established (should only take a minute or so) that it is foolish for DPS to hold back for fear of pulling, or at least was back in the Broodlord/Onyxia days. If it's only a 25% reduction now, and with the addition of Invisibility / BOS / Soul Shatter, I may be way off base. I know we had a warlock stop casting for a minute so Soulshatter could come back up, whereas a year ago we would have had him all out nuke, suicide and Cbat.

Oh, I totally agree. What I tell my DPS is to go easy until all of the tanks have cycled then to open it up... at that point if tanks + misdirects don't get the job done thats our bad not yours.

The latest BW has pretty exact timers for pounding and nice warnings. Was even more of a joke today, we had quite a few melees but they never took more then 1 tick really. Usually they could step out right before and then go in again immediatly, made the whole thing much smoother.

They put berserk timers on almost everything now adays. Its silly half of the time, and is an artificial way of adding difficulty. I guess its their way of adding DPS into the mix when without it they're just what they were back in the old days... bystanders.
Some fights like void reaver and solarian and hydross simply don't need them. Its as if the devs pieced the encounters together with a toolkit.

Void Reaver could have an enrage instead of a berserk. It does need something to make sure you don't lose 10 people and still whittle him down.

Yep, we managed it very easily tonight with only three tanks (two warriors and myself). I believe we lost two warlocks to aggro loss, nothing more. It was actually rather amusing, the tank transitions tended to be Warrior #1 -> Paladin -> Warrior #2 -> Paladin -> Warrior #1. Paladin threat generation is a bit silly, and his damage is low enough that my relatively low HP isn't an issue. I was actually able to take two knockbacks and keep aggro.

I didn't mean to imply the cycle really matters, I just found that to be the ideal amount of time for high DPS to hold back before they can go all out and not worry about catching the tanks.

I think berserk timers add an almost artificial difficulty to a fight, they really don't add any value other than (in many cases) forcing you to stack your raid with dps, consumables, and the right classes. If they want to put in a check to make sure you aren't 10 manning a boss down the last 20% then they can still up the berserk timer a bit. You could conceivably lose 1-2 people and miss the 10 minute mark if you had a lower DPS raid.

Anyway at least with void reaver the 10 min enrage is the only challenge to overcome in the fight so I suppose its ok.