Different guilds kill the bosses in SSC in very different order. If you want to go for Fathom Lord first, is it possible to go via Tidewalker or do you have to go via Leo the Blind? Tidewalker aggros once you enter his room, so I assume you have to go past Leo the Blind. I've only stealthed past him so far so I don't know if this is possible either though. I assume he won't aggro before you kill the 3 mobs holding him, and I guess they work like Magtheridon's guards (they won't aggro before you engage them)?

Also, can you skip alot of the trash in Leo's room if you're heading for Fathom Lord?

We've attempted Tidewalker, but we couldn't find a good position entering from his front entrance. When you enter from Fathom Lord's room it seems much easier. Any opinions on this?

EDIT: This was posted while I was in another guild.

Shoot tidewalker with the person you enjoy killing most in the raid, while the rest run past him. No one does a single aggro abililty, and he'll reset and not notice you all ran past him.
Don't be a pansy and use hunters... kill someone, make it messy.

And theres no kill order in the zone. Fathom lord first isn't a bad plan, but I'd think tidewalker and then fathom lord would make the most sense. Positioning for tidewalker works best in the back of his room.

Most definitely better to start the Tidewalker fight from the Karathress side. You don't have to go all the way around though. After clearing all the murloc patrols, have a rogue pull and evasion tank tidewalker far to the right, while your raid runs past into the hallway behind him. Then have your rogue vanish, and Tidewalker will leash and reset, and you can start your attempts from a better starting position.

If you want to do morogrim first, you need to do a suicide pull. There is a pack of nagas north to his room which will be linked by murlocs during the fight, so you need to clean this before. Yeah that's dumb, we know.
You can't really skip much of leo's room, maybe 1 or 2 packs and leo's trash is probably the worst in the instance... And his guards WILL aggro you, they don't act like mag's ones at all.
Obviously, the best kill order is leotheras => fathom => morogrim, but leotheras isn't exactly easy.

If at all possible, use a gnome. I'd say Ranger but that's not possible but the gods may forgive you.

For Horde, use some sort of Troll Hunter and squint I guess.

Right, we did have someone pull Tidewalker when trying to ressurect others, and he just killed the person and then reset. We also got that Naga pack during fight, but figured it had something to do with our positioning.

Thanks alot, that's all I needed to know. I'm glad we didn't try to go past Leo yet.

Fun fact: If the Lurker trash is all dead (including if you killed Lurker first and thus it didn't respawn), the Watery Grave pools in Morogrim's room will be boiling.

lol so blizzard have added a reason to skip the lurker trash, even better

I don't think it's ever something that has arisen prior to this week. In the past even if you did Lurker first and killed his trash, it'd still respawn. By the time you cleared all 6 packs, killed Lurker, and then got to Morogrim, the first one would surely be back. But yes, things are a bit different now.

That'd certainly make the fight more interesting, I have to say.

Meaning the Watery Grave ability bugs and it's easier? Or meaning you will take boiling damage on top of it?

Great. Means waiting with Lurker until at least Tidewalker is dead. Encouraging Water Walking perhaps?

99% sure it's unintended. As I said, it's just something that really wasn't possible to discover until the recent hotfixes.

Anyway, on-topic, for farming the zone, the best sequence is probably Hydross-->Leotheras-->Karathress-->Morogrim-->Lurker, factoring in getting the most out of flask timers and such (pre-2.1, of course).

For learning the zone, I'm not sure. We did Hydross first just because he's there and because killing him made getting into the water for waterwalking purposes much easier. But he's harder than Morogrim, who in turn is harder than Karathress.

So far we've done Karathress -> Morogrim and have put in some time on Hydross and Lurker, but no attempts on Leotheras. I'm leaning towards Lurker because of the lack of enrage and trash, but what do you think the least difficult of the three remaining doable encounters are?

The OP seems to be looking for a progression kill order instead of an optimal farm order.

That was my point indeed.

We've killed Hydross btw, but with the 250% nature tactic.

It's hard to define a "progression" kill order. Some guilds have just skipped Hydross, others have killed him and Morogrim on the same day/night, others have gone for Lurker etc. There is no definite order that would "force" a guild to do A to get to B and so on. It depends a lot on the actual raid setup, people involved and of course preparation. Still, it is generally accepted so to speak that bosses such as Morogrim and Karathress are more or less easier than Lurker/Leotheras. As for Hydross, in my opinion he stands somewhere in the middle, difficulty wise, though it can be argued that he is easier/harder than some of the "later" bosses. Since he is the first boss that people generally try out, when entering SSC, I believe that its all about first impressions and personal experience. People that have struggled a lot with the encounter for several weeks (regardless of getting a kill or not) will probably hate him

Well, I think the basic question has mostly been answered. Clearing to Karathress obviously will take you much longer than clearing to Hydross (or Lurker, or Morogrim), but Karathress is the easiest boss in the zone. He's really just Maulgar v2.0.

If you can kill Magtheridon, you will have no problem with Karathress, and should be able to do Morogrim with some practice. It's obviously less efficient to clear through Morogrim's trash and Karathress's trash to work on Karathress, but it's not that big a deal since once you're at Karathress, if you pay attention to respawn timers and reclear the hallway when needed, you can stay forever in theory. But if you really just want an SSC kill to get a foothold there (and his loot isn't bad at all, either), then Karathress is the way to go.

Lurker is a more complex fight than Hydross, in my view, but it also has a much lower DPS/gear/consumables threshold. It's like saying which is harder, C'Thun or Patchwerk?

You can learn Lurker without consumables except for the MT, which may make it a plus. It's up to you, ultimately.

Personaly I'd suggest starting with Hydross unless you're still farming up the resist gear. He's there, he doesn't have much trash, and if you can get him down you will feel accomplished and have some easier fights to look forward to.

We did it Hydross (Third night of attempts for the kill)->Tidewalker(Third night of attempts)->Fathom Lord(First Night)->Lurker(Third Night) and will have a first attempts at Leo probably this week.

Tidewalker and Lurker should have been 1-2 nights, but eh that's life. Hydross is the hardest out of the ones we've done so far.

Leo we havn't looked at, and everyone else seems to agree to leave him for last.

Wait so you can waterwalk without aggroing the fish?

What exactly is it about Leotheras that makes him so difficult? (Speaking as someone who hasn't zoned in yet.) Just based on reading about all the bosses he doesn't seem all that tricky.

Fish spawn when you're in the water, not when you're on the water.

Imagine fighting Sartura (in gear from a year ago obviously), who periodically turns into Vek'lor, and who also has that unique Inner Demon mechanic. Now imagine that if you lose more than 1-2 people your fully-flasked raid will fall short of the DPS requirement to kill him before he enrages.

Leotheras is very hard because of his enrage timer even with a raid with full consumables. And it's a fight where individual mistakes aren't allowed. However, hydross (without the 250% trick obviously) is an excellent training for leotheras, both fights are very similar by design.
And you have a whole room of trashs to clear to try leotheras which means you can only try 1h20 or so before repops :/