Kill order in SSC

Lila · 04/19/07, 5:59 AM

Different guilds kill the bosses in SSC in very different order. If you want to go for Fathom Lord first, is it possible to go via Tidewalker or do you have to go via Leo the Blind? Tidewalker aggros once you enter his room, so I assume you have to go past Leo the Blind. I've only stealthed past him so far so I don't know if this is possible either though. I assume he won't aggro before you kill the 3 mobs holding him, and I guess they work like Magtheridon's guards (they won't aggro before you engage them)?

Also, can you skip alot of the trash in Leo's room if you're heading for Fathom Lord?

We've attempted Tidewalker, but we couldn't find a good position entering from his front entrance. When you enter from Fathom Lord's room it seems much easier. Any opinions on this?

EDIT: This was posted while I was in another guild.

Quigon · 04/19/07, 6:01 AM

Shoot tidewalker with the person you enjoy killing most in the raid, while the rest run past him. No one does a single aggro abililty, and he'll reset and not notice you all ran past him.
Don't be a pansy and use hunters... kill someone, make it messy.

And theres no kill order in the zone. Fathom lord first isn't a bad plan, but I'd think tidewalker and then fathom lord would make the most sense. Positioning for tidewalker works best in the back of his room.

Sinzar · 04/19/07, 6:03 AM

Originally Posted by Lila

We've attempted Tidewalker, but we couldn't find a good position entering from his front entrance. When you enter from Fathom Lord's room it seems much easier. Any opinions on this?

Most definitely better to start the Tidewalker fight from the Karathress side. You don't have to go all the way around though. After clearing all the murloc patrols, have a rogue pull and evasion tank tidewalker far to the right, while your raid runs past into the hallway behind him. Then have your rogue vanish, and Tidewalker will leash and reset, and you can start your attempts from a better starting position.

Dawme · 04/19/07, 6:05 AM

If you want to do morogrim first, you need to do a suicide pull. There is a pack of nagas north to his room which will be linked by murlocs during the fight, so you need to clean this before. Yeah that's dumb, we know.
You can't really skip much of leo's room, maybe 1 or 2 packs and leo's trash is probably the worst in the instance... And his guards WILL aggro you, they don't act like mag's ones at all.
Obviously, the best kill order is leotheras => fathom => morogrim, but leotheras isn't exactly easy.

Northerner · 04/19/07, 6:15 AM

Originally Posted by Quigon

Shoot tidewalker with the person you enjoy killing most in the raid, while the rest run past him. No one does a single aggro abililty, and he'll reset and not notice you all ran past him.
Don't be a pansy and use hunters... kill someone, make it messy.

If at all possible, use a gnome. I'd say Ranger but that's not possible but the gods may forgive you.

For Horde, use some sort of Troll Hunter and squint I guess.

Lila · 04/19/07, 6:23 AM

Right, we did have someone pull Tidewalker when trying to ressurect others, and he just killed the person and then reset. We also got that Naga pack during fight, but figured it had something to do with our positioning.

Thanks alot, that's all I needed to know. I'm glad we didn't try to go past Leo yet.

Schneeb · 04/19/07, 8:19 AM

A hunter's pet can pull morogrim to the back left of his room whilst the entire raid runs to the tunnel, the hunter then has to get through before he resets. Can result in zero deaths (apart form the pet :>)

♦ Praetorian · 04/19/07, 8:44 AM

Fun fact: If the Lurker trash is all dead (including if you killed Lurker first and thus it didn't respawn), the Watery Grave pools in Morogrim's room will be boiling.

Cannings · 04/19/07, 8:52 AM

Originally Posted by Praetorian

Fun fact: If the Lurker trash is all dead (including if you killed Lurker first and thus it didn't respawn), the Watery Grave pools in Morogrim's room will be boiling.

lol so blizzard have added a reason to skip the lurker trash, even better

♦ Praetorian · 04/19/07, 8:53 AM

I don't think it's ever something that has arisen prior to this week. In the past even if you did Lurker first and killed his trash, it'd still respawn. By the time you cleared all 6 packs, killed Lurker, and then got to Morogrim, the first one would surely be back. But yes, things are a bit different now.

That'd certainly make the fight more interesting, I have to say.

Lila · 04/19/07, 8:56 AM

Originally Posted by Praetorian

Fun fact: If the Lurker trash is all dead (including if you killed Lurker first and thus it didn't respawn), the Watery Grave pools in Morogrim's room will be boiling.

Meaning the Watery Grave ability bugs and it's easier? Or meaning you will take boiling damage on top of it?

Ashiya · 04/19/07, 8:57 AM

Great. Means waiting with Lurker until at least Tidewalker is dead. Encouraging Water Walking perhaps?

♦ Praetorian · 04/19/07, 8:57 AM

Meaning when you are standing in those pools of water, for whatever reason, you are taking an extra 1000/tick.

♦ Praetorian · 04/19/07, 9:00 AM

Originally Posted by Ashiya

Great. Means waiting with Lurker until at least Tidewalker is dead. Encouraging Water Walking perhaps?

99% sure it's unintended. As I said, it's just something that really wasn't possible to discover until the recent hotfixes.

Anyway, on-topic, for farming the zone, the best sequence is probably Hydross-->Leotheras-->Karathress-->Morogrim-->Lurker, factoring in getting the most out of flask timers and such (pre-2.1, of course).

For learning the zone, I'm not sure. We did Hydross first just because he's there and because killing him made getting into the water for waterwalking purposes much easier. But he's harder than Morogrim, who in turn is harder than Karathress.

niska · 04/19/07, 9:14 AM

So far we've done Karathress -> Morogrim and have put in some time on Hydross and Lurker, but no attempts on Leotheras. I'm leaning towards Lurker because of the lack of enrage and trash, but what do you think the least difficult of the three remaining doable encounters are?

The OP seems to be looking for a progression kill order instead of an optimal farm order.