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Old 04/22/07, 6:07 PM   #31
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I believe the gloves have a 50% fear/Searing Pain pushback resistance bonus equip, but that the 4piece is still immolate cast time

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Old 04/22/07, 6:09 PM   #32
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Originally Posted by DeeNogger View Post
That would be criminal. Getting tier 6 gear just by saving arena points for the first season? How many pve raiders will get BT gear by raiding Gruul for a year and then magically turning that experience into T6?
Has there been any word about how the change from season to season will occur?

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Old 04/22/07, 6:40 PM   #33
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I think these are just the somewhat updated set bonuses for current arena gear. At least that's how they're making it sound on the WoW forums.

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Old 04/22/07, 6:54 PM   #34
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Arena gear is suppose to scale just like raid gear, maybe it will cost more arena points or something like that, but i dont think season 2 gear will just be season 1 with new stats, thats stupid because since you get all 5 pc what will you do with your points then?

Regarding the saving arena points question, isn't there a point limit so that you are forced into buying the gear? Maybe points will be reset or so i don't know the details about season 2!

Probably new arena will be 120-125 ilvl, if a blacksmith craftable such as Bulwark of ancient kings is ilvl 140, and tier 6 is 135, arena must scale or else everyone who raids just owns every arena team that doesn't spend any time raiding?

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Old 04/22/07, 7:07 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by Folken View Post
Arena gear is suppose to scale just like raid gear, maybe it will cost more arena points or something like that, but i dont think season 2 gear will just be season 1 with new stats, thats stupid because since you get all 5 pc what will you do with your points then?

Regarding the saving arena points question, isn't there a point limit so that you are forced into buying the gear? Maybe points will be reset or so i don't know the details about season 2!

Probably new arena will be 120-125 ilvl, if a blacksmith craftable such as Bulwark of ancient kings is ilvl 140, and tier 6 is 135, arena must scale or else everyone who raids just owns every arena team that doesn't spend any time raiding?
When Blizzard releases the new Arena gear, it will be new gear with updated item levels.

You can hold 5000 points currently.

Assuming the Arena gear stayed the same vs Tier 6, the Arena teams would still be competitive due to resilience, but it would be a close call, the devs said once the raiders start to get Tier 6, they will release new Arena gear.

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Old 04/22/07, 8:12 PM   #36
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I find it ironic that 4 piece warlock set bonus most benefits the build least used in arena... destruction.

Also the arena gear needs to be scaled with new pve gear being released, i.e. T6. Sure T6 may be alot harder to obtain, but if new arena gear wasn't released to match it then you would find players in the top PvE guild having clear PvP advantages.

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Old 04/23/07, 1:23 AM   #37
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Re-echoing that the 4 piece on the affliction set being -0.2 off immolate is horrible.
Don't get me wrong, it's awesome for a 32+ destruction build. In my experience most locks in arenas are affliction or demonology though, and even demonology will take some pieces of the affliction set.
The -50% pushback on fear glove bonus is Godlike, and I don't see many builds taking the searing pain one.

It's way to early to get arena gear upgrades, don't you think? A lot of guilds will just drop PvE (just like at the start of the arena season) if that happens.

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Old 04/23/07, 1:41 AM   #38
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Maybe I'm crazy but I'd imagine arena 2 would be pretty close to tier 5, not tier 6. Arena 3 would be near tier 6. The changes may be more incremental depending on length of season and thus how many seasons they expect to have before the next expansion.

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Old 04/23/07, 2:04 AM   #39
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There are 2 routes they can go with to make arena seasons of equal length.

3 Arena seasons of 4 months each.
February 15th > ~June 15th : Tier 4
June > October : Tier 5
October > February : Tier 6 and that should be around when the next expansion comes out, if they keep their 1 per year schedule.
Or maybe T4 > T4 > T5 and just never give T6 equivalents.

4 Arena season of 3 months each.
February 15th > ~May 15th : Tier 4
May > August : Tier 5
August > November : Tier 6
November > February : Tier 6
Alternatively, T4, T4, T5, T6 or T4, T5, T5, T6

I personally favour the first scenario, where at around mid June players can pick up T5 arena gear, where most of the higher-end raiding guilds on the server will just start to pick up Tier 5. The current season started about the same way.

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Old 04/23/07, 3:09 AM   #40
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It's pretty silly upon further consideration.

The top teams get stronger immediately because they have everything they want and have 5000 points saved up. Meanwhile, the while lower or non-ranked teams don't have that luxery, so they have to save points for the more expensive arena items to even begin to be competitive, because let's face facts, Gear > Skill alot of the time.

There's also another problem of stagnation in the top ranks of each BG, it's the same teams fighting each other over and over again. Barely climbing.

The top team on our BG The Challenge was has been in the 2400 bracket for weeks, it's just impossible for them to climb out of it, because every win is 3 points and every loss is like 20+, and none of the other teams close to their rating play.

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Old 04/23/07, 3:40 AM   #41
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I'm not sure that Blizzard will launch arena season 2 while the 5v5 tournament is still up.


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Old 04/23/07, 3:47 AM   #42
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The time is about right now when the lower ranked teams, with less points/week will start catching up to the best teams, in terms of gear.

The best teams (in all brackets) have racked up enough points to buy at least 5 pieces of their gear, or 3 pieces + weapons.

Lower teams who save those 5000 points will be able to buy just as much of the new gear as the top teams. The new gear replaces the old gear; the gear gap of 3 new pieces + 2 old (current top teams) versus 3 new + 1 old (lower teams) isn't significant enough.

This goes out the window if you spend your 5k on old gear of course. So start saving for a potential mid-May gear upgrade, if that doesn't happen spend some and be ready for mid-June.

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Old 04/23/07, 5:57 AM   #43
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With the arena being a lot more "serious" than the battlegrounds ever where, blizzard are basically forced into issuing new gladiator armor around the same time as people reach T6. You cannot have PvP tournaments where the prerequisite for winning is being a front line raider. It undermines the entire concept of the arena.

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Old 04/23/07, 6:28 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by raal View Post
With the arena being a lot more "serious" than the battlegrounds ever where, blizzard are basically forced into issuing new gladiator armor around the same time as people reach T6. You cannot have PvP tournaments where the prerequisite for winning is being a front line raider. It undermines the entire concept of the arena.
And when do you decide when "people" reach T6?

If Nihilum kills the first BT boss in 3 months that does not by any stretch of imagination mean that "people" get T6. While at the same time releasing an updated Arena set would mean that -anyone- who isnt plain stupid can get something they may never ever see from raiding in very short time.

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Old 04/23/07, 7:06 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Brissa View Post
If Nihilum kills the first BT boss in 3 months that does not by any stretch of imagination mean that "people" get T6. While at the same time releasing an updated Arena set would mean that -anyone- who isnt plain stupid can get something they may never ever see from raiding in very short time.
I have no idea how they are timing it. But they have to make the upgrade once the top PvE guilds get T6, otherwise you will end up with raiders owning the arena simply because of a gear advantage. That is clearly not their intention with the new PvP system.

I think you are highly underestimating the time it takes to get a full set of gladiator items, and the competitiveness of the system. if you by "-anyone-" is referring to the average player, he will have a 1500 rating. That translates to 408 points each week with a 5 man team. The set + weapons cost 12.000 points, which means 29 weeks, or 7 months of arena before he gets the items.

People you see with full gladiator today, or even the people that post on these boards, are pretty far ahead of the curve. Just like most raiders who post are.

Even if you ignore this, people will not use the gladiator armor in raids. Season 2 gladiator armor will not be as effective for raiding as T5 is, because the stats are allocated very differently. You do not want a rogue with 12.000 HP and 1100 AP doing DPS in your raid. It is worse the other way around, resilience (which gets a big percentage of the item budget) does nothing in raids. All the stat points from raid gear does however contribute in PvP.

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