Procs with/without internal cooldowns - Page 4

Roywyn · 09/02/07, 9:07 AM

Originally Posted by songster

Dragonspine Trophy is now reported to have an internal cooldown on the PTR - can anyone check if the same applies to Dragonmaw/Dragonstrike? Might be a geneal fix for haste procs.

Everyone saw that coming though. Any tests yet of how long the cooldown is?

Concerning the weapons, no other "Chance on hit: ***" weapon proc has had a cooldown yet, only those "Equip: Chance on ***" procs that are not tied to their weapon (and can proc from both weapons) got a cooldown.
Still, there can always be a first time. Keep the info flowing in.

Another request: band of the eternal - Wowhead Search
The Hyjal Exalted rings - do the procs have an internal cooldown? Without one, they would be pretty powerful to say the least.
Edit: They also do not have a proc chance listed any more.

Eir · 09/02/07, 9:34 AM

Originally Posted by Roywyn

On another note:
Is anyone exalted with the Ashtongue Deathsworn yet?
I'm curious if the Ashtongue Talisman trinkets (ashtongue talisman - Wowhead Search) have an internal cooldown or not.

The Paladin trinket does not have an internal cooldown. I can't speak for the other class trinkets, though.

Cesar2000 · 09/02/07, 12:25 PM

Items that clearly state a proc % chance will not have an internal cooldown.

songster · 09/02/07, 1:10 PM

Originally Posted by Cesar2000

Items that clearly state a proc % chance will not have an internal cooldown.

What, like Windfury, you mean? Come on, this thread is for real testing of proc rates and cooldowns, not baseless statements. Especially if they're statements which are already known to be false.

Cesar2000 · 09/02/07, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by songster

What, like Windfury, you mean? Come on, this thread is for real testing of proc rates and cooldowns, not baseless statements. Especially if they're statements which are already known to be false.

I said items, there is no reason to start a pointless arguement here. To this day I have never seen an item which stated a %-chance have an internal cooldown. If that's wrong, please show me. There is no need for such hostility.

Mishdan · 09/03/07, 1:06 PM

Illidan Tank Shield
This is the spell effect from the Bulwark of Azzinoth proc. As you can see if you mouse over the spell, it has a 60s internal cooldown, and is a base 2% proc rate.

Nemaa · 09/09/07, 8:11 PM

Anyone knows the proc rate of [Syphon of the Nathrezim]?

Kink · 09/10/07, 5:55 AM

Originally Posted by songster

Dragonspine Trophy is now reported to have an internal cooldown on the PTR - can anyone check if the same applies to Dragonmaw/Dragonstrike? Might be a geneal fix for haste procs.

Could you please link the source of this? This would potentially be a far worse nerf than the haste rating change.

Not saying you made it up, I just want to see it for myself =).

songster · 09/10/07, 6:04 AM

Originally Posted by Kink

Could you please link the source of this? This would potentially be a far worse nerf than the haste rating change.

Not saying you made it up, I just want to see it for myself =).

Dragonspine Trophy Analysis

Post #290 and subsequent. For future reference, when looking up information on the Dragonspine Trophy, a thread called "Dragonspine Trophy Analysis" may be a useful start point :-)

Nenormalen · 09/15/07, 8:56 PM

I read somewhere that the hyjal exalted rings have a 90 seconds cooldown. Is that possible/probable/confirmed? I would've thought they have either 30 or 45 seconds one...

Trilly · 09/16/07, 12:46 AM

I don't think anyone has farmed Hyjal enough to have the rep needed, although some of the humans in the top guilds might be close.

Egel · 09/16/07, 4:56 AM

Originally Posted by Nenormalen

I read somewhere that the hyjal exalted rings have a 90 seconds cooldown. Is that possible/probable/confirmed? I would've thought they have either 30 or 45 seconds one...

I tested my healing ring a bit and I'm pretty sure it has a 60 second cooldown. You can change rings by paying 75g. A weird thing is that the proc effect for the healing ring gives you both extra damage and healing. We had our first exalted a couple of weeks ago.

Nenormalen · 09/16/07, 6:32 AM

Originally Posted by Egel

I tested my healing ring a bit and I'm pretty sure it has a 60 second cooldown. You can change rings by paying 75g. A weird thing is that the proc effect for the healing ring gives you both extra damage and healing. We had our first exalted a couple of weeks ago.

So you have seen it proc twice within less than 90 seconds? phew.

Dots · 09/16/07, 8:44 AM

Originally Posted by Mishdan

Illidan Tank Shield
This is the spell effect from the Bulwark of Azzinoth proc. As you can see if you mouse over the spell, it has a 60s internal cooldown, and is a base 2% proc rate.

Just to clarify, the shield doesn't have a hidden cooldown.

Roywyn · 09/17/07, 5:57 AM

Originally Posted by Egel

I tested my healing ring a bit and I'm pretty sure it has a 60 second cooldown. You can change rings by paying 75g. A weird thing is that the proc effect for the healing ring gives you both extra damage and healing. We had our first exalted a couple of weeks ago.

I checked the thottbot/wowhead info, and the caster/healing ring procs are listed as lasting 15 seconds, although the rings themselves state a 10s proc.
Do you remember which one it is?

Edit: Thank you for the info

Egel · 09/17/07, 3:27 PM

Originally Posted by Roywyn

I checked the thottbot/wowhead info, and the caster/healing ring procs are listed as lasting 15 seconds, although the rings themselves state a 10s proc.
Do you remember which one it is?

The effect lasts 15 seconds.

Nenormalen · 09/17/07, 3:58 PM

Can you confirm what the hidden cooldown is?

Egel · 09/17/07, 4:42 PM

Originally Posted by Nenormalen

Can you confirm what the hidden cooldown is?

It's 60 seconds as far as I have seen. I have had it proc twice in say less than 62 seconds but never in less than 60 seconds.

Daidalos · 09/21/07, 4:45 PM

I noticed you have shiffar's still listed as 15s duration. I think the duration was changed to 10s to match the tooltip.

Akston · 09/25/07, 1:24 AM

I know the duration of the proc on shiffar's was change but does anyone know if the internal cooldown was changed too?

Roywyn · 09/25/07, 4:05 AM

Internal cooldown for Shiffar's is still 45s according to reports.
( Mage Trinket Advice, part 2 )

Do we have any info on [Madness of the Betrayer] yet?

Nemaa · 09/25/07, 9:23 AM

Originally Posted by Roywyn

Internal cooldown for Shiffar's is still 45s according to reports.
( Mage Trinket Advice, part 2 )

Do we have any info on [Madness of the Betrayer] yet?

According to the post below it's uptime is about 40%
http://elitistjerks.com/476893-post2543.html

Asherett · 11/03/07, 6:29 AM

Did half an hour on Dr. Boom on the 2.3 PTR about two hours ago, mostly to test Quagmirran's Eye proc rate and internal CD.

I can confirm it to (still) have 45s internal CD, 6 seconds duration. 10% proc rate appears likely - my longest chain was approximately 17 casts after proposed internal CD was over. In no other case did more than 11 casts pass.

Here is a WWS parse.

Since a lot of silly things are going on in the WWS I made a quick guide to the 16 observed Quag procs and their timings:

07:16:24.915  [Scorch spam starts.]

07:16:26.862  You gain Spell Haste.
07:16:33.095  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since spam start: 1.947s
Duration: 6.233s

07:18:04.402  [Last spell before OOM - spam stops.]
07:18:21.551  [Scorch spam starts.]

07:18:34.515  You gain Spell Haste.
07:18:40.514  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since spam start: 12.964s
Duration: 5.999s

07:19:21.189  [Last spell before OOM - spam stops.]
07:21:42.996  [Scorch spam starts.]

07:21:42.996  You gain Spell Haste.
07:21:48.952  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since spam start: 0.000s
Duration: 5.956s

07:23:12.779  You gain Spell Haste.
07:23:19.045  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since last proc: 1m 36.049s
Duration: 6.266s

07:23:59.512  You gain Spell Haste.
07:24:05.407  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since last proc: 46.733s
Duration: 5.895s

07:24:10.517  [Last spell before OOM - spam stops.]
07:29:01.762  [Scorch spam starts.]

07:29:03.965  You gain Spell Haste.
07:29:09.899  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since spam start: 2.203s
Duration: 5.934s

07:30:08.641  You gain Spell Haste.
07:30:14.589  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since last proc: 1m 4.676s
Duration: 5.948s

07:31:12.733  [Last spell before OOM - spam stops.]
07:31:26.151  [Scorch spam starts.]

07:31:28.291  You gain Spell Haste.
07:31:34.330  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since spam start: 2.140s
Duration: 6.039s

07:32:25.790  You gain Spell Haste.
07:32:31.757  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since last proc: 57.499s
Duration: 5.967s

07:33:12.273  You gain Spell Haste.
07:33:18.404  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since last proc: 46.483s
Duration: 6.131s

07:33:22.704  [Last spell before OOM - spam stops.]
07:36:00.838  [Scorch spam starts.]

07:36:45.436  You gain Spell Haste.
07:36:51.466  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since spam start: 44.598s
Duration: 6.030s

07:37:36.601  You gain Spell Haste.
07:37:42.826  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since last proc: 51.165s
Duration: 6.225s

07:38:25.946  [Last spell before OOM - spam stops.]
07:39:27.453  [Scorch spam starts]

07:39:27.826  You gain Spell Haste.
07:39:33.819  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since spam start: 0.373s
Duration: 5.993s

07:40:20.548  You gain Spell Haste.
07:40:26.409  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since last proc: 52.722s
Duration: 5.861s

07:41:07.552  You gain Spell Haste.
07:41:13.311  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since last proc: 47.004s
Duration: 5.759s

07:41:52.576  You gain Spell Haste.
07:41:58.824  Spell Haste fades from you.
Time since last proc: 45.024s
Duration: 6.248s

As can be seen from the WWS, I was also wearing Shiffar's Nexus-Horn and 2/2 Spellstrike during the test. I observed ~2.6% proc rate on the Spellstrike set bonus - assuming no internal CD like stated in OP here. This post by Manly claims it has a 10s internal CD. Anecdotally, I do not think I've seen the Lesser Spell Blasting buff stacked on my character. If anyone can attempt to confirm the "non-stackability" of it, please do.

If anyone wants to analyze Shiffar procs from the WWS, you have my blessing!

Roywyn · 11/03/07, 10:59 AM

You misinterpreted the screenshot.
The 2/2 Spellstrike Infusion proc definately has no cooldown and can refresh itself at any point of time. Just checked it on the PTR with AM spam.

While we're at it, MSD still is 6s/15%/45s.
TLC has a 2.5s cooldown after shooting a bolt before you can get charges again. There is no limitation after that.
So if you cast an AE every 2.5s, you can still get one bolt every 2.5s with every cast (if you get 3 crits every time).

Question on [Warglaive of Azzinoth]:
I heard about a 45s CD here - is it definately on place on the proc? And did the CD go live already, or is it only on the PTR?

zaraji · 11/04/07, 8:12 AM

Edit: beat to the punch, delete