Procs with/without internal cooldowns - Page 5

Bendyr · 01/08/08, 10:21 AM

Is there any way you could also add to this list whether or not a proc has an increased proc chance on spells that affect multiple targets (for example: Eye of Gruul).

Moobinator · 01/16/08, 1:50 PM

Im not sure if this applies in this Thread, but has anyone tested the Rate of the [Greater Rune of Warding].
It says it have a 90 sec cooldown, wanted to know it this is on its abilities or how often it can be applied.

If it is in the applying can teh effects of this item stack.
I only had one last night to test, but i didn't see any special buff show up, so not sure how to track this.

Roywyn · 01/19/08, 9:06 AM

Originally Posted by Moobinator

Im not sure if this applies in this Thread, but has anyone tested the Rate of the [Greater Rune of Warding].
It says it have a 90 sec cooldown, wanted to know it this is on its abilities or how often it can be applied.

If it is in the applying can teh effects of this item stack.
I only had one last night to test, but i didn't see any special buff show up, so not sure how to track this.

Wowhead lists the item as having a 1 second cooldown.
That should mean that you have a 1 second cooldown between applying the rune to different armour pieces of yours.

Which implies that the 90 second cooldown is on the "damage absorption" procs of the enchant itself. Is it that what you were looking for?
I'm not sure what you mean by stacking there.

Originally Posted by Bendyr

Is there any way you could also add to this list whether or not a proc has an increased proc chance on spells that affect multiple targets (for example: Eye of Gruul).

Sure, I can do that if people give me the info on it.

Gilora · 01/20/08, 4:48 AM

Not sure if this qualifies for the list, but [Skycall Totem] doesn't have an internal cooldown.

Asmo · 03/29/08, 2:26 PM

Have anyone else looked at Band of the eternal sage since 2.4? I saw on the shadowpriest.com gear thread it was listed with 30s cooldown and saw it mentioned recently in the mage tc thread here that is was 45. So I decided to test for a bit on Dr.Boom myself and according to this data it looks like it actually is 60s. The sample size is not big enough that I suppose it is possible I could just have been unlucky but to not once see it proc before the expected average time in almost 40minutes would indeed be extremely unlucky. This is spamming rank1 swp with 87 haste rating + MSD procs so under 1.5s per spell average. You also see I got 44 MSD procs and only 28 from the ring.

Have anyone actually seen it proc with less than 60s in between?

WWS log Wow Web Stats

Hmm just looked at the MSD procs too, 45s definitely is wrong there. You see it procing more often than that all the time in that log. Shortest is 36s apart.

aerwyth · 03/29/08, 4:14 PM

Has anyone had a chance to test the new trinkets from heroic MgT, [Timbal's Focusing Crystal] and [Shard of Contempt]? It would probably be worthwhile to add their info to the list in the first post.

vanskater · 03/31/08, 3:31 AM

For the timbal, over the course of the 6 mins on the Brutallus fight it proced for a total of 15 times for a total of 10078 dmg.

Wow Web Stats

Rob · 03/31/08, 3:46 AM

[Shard of Contempt] strongly appears to be 45 second internal cooldown with a 10% proc rate, identical to [Hourglass of the Unraveller] and [Tsunami Talisman].

Divinefactor · 03/31/08, 3:54 AM

I would post up the log I got from [Shard of Contempt] But 2.4 and combat logs are not my friends

However over three nights of having it equipped I have not seen it proc more than once every 45 seconds and have never seen the buff refresh itself.

20 second buff time, 45s internal cooldown

Zurgat · 03/31/08, 8:22 AM

Has anyone tested the proc rate on death frost yet? : Enchant Weapon - Deathfrost - Spells - WOWDB I wonder if this will work on bosses and if it does, whether it'll stack with thunderclap or curse of tongues (unlikely).

Originally Posted by Rob

[Shard of Contempt] strongly appears to be 45 second internal cooldown with a 10% proc rate, identical to [Hourglass of the Unraveller] and [Tsunami Talisman].

Here's a post with a log for this trinket : http://elitistjerks.com/690086-post2456.html
[Shard of Contempt] tested 30 minutes. Single weapon.

3/28 19:55:22.750 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 19:55:42.484  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 19:56:11.015 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 19:56:30.359  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 19:58:02.578 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 19:58:22.937  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 19:59:17.156 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 19:59:37.156  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:00:02.781 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:00:22.484  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:01:50.390 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:02:09.875  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:02:37.640 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:02:57.343  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:03:35.078 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:03:54.796  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:04:38.968 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:04:58.718  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:05:28.000 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:05:47.828  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:06:27.562 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:06:47.484  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:08:07.062 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:08:26.812  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:09:21.781 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:09:41.453  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:10:27.406 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:10:47.156  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:11:34.875 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:11:54.609  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:12:55.578 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:13:15.343  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:13:40.593 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:14:00.328  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:14:55.000 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:15:14.671  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:16:16.265 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:16:35.796  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:17:20.421 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:17:40.093  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:18:09.859 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:18:29.406  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:20:00.156 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:20:19.968  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:21:01.703 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:21:21.718  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:22:04.171 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:22:23.968  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:22:59.812 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:23:19.328  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:23:49.421 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:24:08.875  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:24:46.500 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:25:06.234  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:25:38.000 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:25:58.015  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:26:23.750 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF
3/28 20:26:43.500  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x0000000000543C43,"Pewsey",0x511,45053,"Heroism",0x40,BUFF

[Vial of the Sunwell], has no internal proc CD, and will add 100 energy for each healing spell you cast. (Don't even need to finish it)
Basically you can "charge" it up to 2000 before a pull, and use it early in the fight.

savernon · 03/31/08, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Zurgat

Has anyone tested the proc rate on death frost yet? : Enchant Weapon - Deathfrost - Spells - WOWDB I wonder if this will work on bosses and if it does, whether it'll stack with thunderclap or curse of tongues (unlikely).

[Vial of the Sunwell], has no internal proc CD, and will add 100 energy for each healing spell you cast. (Don't even need to finish it)
Basically you can "charge" it up to 2000 before a pull, and use it early in the fight.

Deathfrost isn't in the game, as far as I'm aware. There is not corresponding enchant scroll in wowheads DB, and I haven't seen anyone advertise it in trade, and it seems like an enchant that would be advertised. Also the mats don't really seem in line with the strength of the enchant, so I think they decided to hold off on it.

For the vial of the sunwell, are you saying you could make a macro that does :

/cast <heal spell here>
/stopcasting

And spam that whenever you aren't casting and it will charge up? Seems pretty crazy, but I guess the cooldown limits the possibility of abusing.

Bendyr · 03/31/08, 3:41 PM

I just charge my vial by spamming rank 1 renew on myself. I actually have a macro set up:

/cast [target=mouseover,exists,help,nocombat][target=self,nocombat] Renew(Rank 1)
/use [target=mouseover,exists,help,combat] Vial of the Sunwell

So that I can conserve button space. A druid could do the same think with rank 1 rejuv i believe. Classes without instant cast spells may have to use a macro like the one described above though.

savernon · 03/31/08, 3:52 PM

Originally Posted by Bendyr

I just charge my vial by spamming rank 1 renew on myself. I actually have a macro set up:

So that I can conserve button space. A druid could do the same think with rank 1 rejuv i believe. Classes without instant cast spells may have to use a macro like the one described above though.

It sounds like what the poster I was replying to is saying is that the heal doesn't have to actually be casted, just that the charges get added to the buff at the beginning of the cast.

Rob · 03/31/08, 5:15 PM

Originally Posted by Zurgat

Here's a post with a log for this trinket : http://elitistjerks.com/690086-post2456.html
[Shard of Contempt] tested 30 minutes. Single weapon.

Seems pretty good evidence for 45s ICD.

erb · 03/31/08, 6:21 PM

Has anyone looked into [Shattered Sun Pendant of Might]?

Prinsesa · 03/31/08, 10:43 PM

/cast <heal spell here>
/stopcasting

And spam that whenever you aren't casting and it will charge up? Seems pretty crazy, but I guess the cooldown limits the possibility of abusing.

I believe he meant that you can release the charges early, before you have 2000 Holy energy accumulated, and not that you can start a cast, cancel it immediately and still get the Holy energy.

In any case, it's important to note that since the Vial does not use the GCD, healers can use it in their "oh shit" buttons to maximize burst healing, such as:

/cast Divine Favor
(Insert healing clicky here, such as [Essence of the Martyr]
/cast Vial of the Sunwell
/cast Holy Shock

/cast Nature's Swiftness
(Insert healing clicky here, such as [Essence of the Martyr]
/cast Vial of the Sunwell
/cast Healing Wave (for Shaman) or Healing Touch (for Druids)

• Intermission · 04/01/08, 12:21 AM

In the shaman/druid version of that macro, would the cast actually be effected by the trinket? Is there was a split second delay from the time you activate a trinket and the time you gain the spell damage/AP/healing?

I haven't played a healer with NS, and as a dps class I wouldnt use those sort of macros.

seminarca · 04/01/08, 1:20 AM

Clicky trinket buffs are applied server side and the perceived delay is merely cosmetic (i.e. for the buff to show up on your UI, which is why you see "19" as time remaining when the buff for a 20 second usable trinket appears). Some Ferals macro clicky trinkets to our bleed finisher Rip to make sure we can squeeze two Rips in the duration of a 20 second clicky trinket buff.

edit: Also, while leveling alts, I found myself neglecting to use clicky trinkets, so I started binding them to commonly used skills (Stormstrike on a Shaman, Steady Shot on a Hunter, Unstable Affliction on a Warlock) to make sure I'd be using them regularly. Even in the case of Hunter, the buff is applied instantly (I added it to my BM Huntard macro =p) and the first Auto/Steady shots benefit from it. You do have to be mindful not to activate them if a mob is nearly dead, but I definitely get a hell lot more use out of them this way than not using them at all. In a raid, you'd probably want to synch at least one usage with other cooldowns (e.g. Rapid Fire and/or Bestial Wrath).

Prinsesa · 04/01/08, 1:33 AM

Originally Posted by Intermission

In the shaman/druid version of that macro, would the cast actually be effected by the trinket? Is there was a split second delay from the time you activate a trinket and the time you gain the spell damage/AP/healing?

I haven't played a healer with NS, and as a dps class I wouldnt use those sort of macros.

No, there's no real delay as far as functionality goes.

That is, the Healing Wave/Healing Touch would receive the extra healing from the Essence of the Martyr.

As well, the Holy Shock would be a guaranteed crit from the Divine Favor.

Finally, the Vial of the Sunwell's heal does not have a spell damage coefficient, so it would not be affected by the on-use effect.

Zurgat · 04/01/08, 4:53 AM

Trinkets, and spell effects don't affect the MT healer trinket. It's a flat 2000 heal when fully charged.
One of the shamans in our guild has it, and demonstrated he could "charge up" the holy energy before the start of the fight by casting then aborting spells. Thus not actually spending any mana.

Roywyn · 04/01/08, 6:15 AM

Did a quick update, took me a while

tunah · 04/03/08, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by erb

Has anyone looked into [Shattered Sun Pendant of Might]?

Haven't tested that yet, but [Shattered Sun Pendant of Resolve] seems to have a 45sec internal cooldown, with a proc rate of either 15% or 4.5 PPM. I would expect that pendants to be the same.

I wrote a ruby library to parse the new combat log and determine internal cooldowns and proc rates, it should be flexible enough to work with anything that gives a self-buff and procs off a logged event. If the proc duration varies a lot, then the script assumes the proc has 0 cooldown and is self-refreshing, else it just takes the cooldown to be the lowest interval between successive procs, so you need a decent sized sample.

The library is here, usage is like

require 'procalyzer'
File.open('Logs/WowCombatLog.txt') {|log| 
    Procalyzer::procalyze(log, "Light's Ward", &Procalyzer::PLAYER_SWING_OR_SPELL).dump
}

(&Procalyzer::PLAYER_SWING_OR_SPELL indicates that the buff procs off melee or other ability damage). Output is like:

Duration: 10.0354871872144 (dev: 0.0876221210309303, range: 9.7979998588562 - 10.2979998588562, n: 39)
Interval: 56.2478157909293 (dev: 12.0442864645658, range: 45.8069999217987 - 104.513000011444, n: 38)
Uptime: 17.84%
Internal cooldown: 45
Proc chance: 15.29% (39/255)

The way it works is it determines the internal cooldown using the heuristic above, then checks every potential proc event (e.g. melee swing) to see if it's eligible to proc the effect (not on cooldown). Of the eligible events, it counts up how many do and don't proc the effect, which gives the proc chance.

On a somewhat related note (shattered sun and procs), I noticed while testing this that [Commendation of Kael'thas] procs any time you're under 35% health after a melee attack (if it's not on cooldown), not just if the attack takes you below 35%. Helpful if there's elemental damage going around.

erb · 04/04/08, 3:46 PM

Originally Posted by tunah

Haven't tested that yet, but [Shattered Sun Pendant of Resolve] seems to have a 45sec internal cooldown, with a proc rate of either 15% or 4.5 PPM. I would expect that pendants to be the same..

I'm with you in assuming that the cool down and proc are going to be the same, thank you for the research.

Lukian · 04/04/08, 4:52 PM

[Shattered Sun Pendant of Resolve]
Of further use, this item crits based upon melee crit rate mechanics for Scryers.

Any information available on [Darkmoon Card: Maelstrom], specifically regarding it's crit mechanics and whether or not it has an internal cooldown?

savernon · 04/04/08, 5:45 PM

I think I still have that card in my bank. Wahoo for being a packrat. I'll go test it out in the blasted lands. How do I record out the entries of the combat log? I've never done that before.