I like to keep Rend up on moroes; if you eat a gouge and he runs away from you and towards someone else, when the gouge breaks a tick from rend will put you back on his hate table and he should come running right back to you instead of you having to chase him all over.
Doable with a prot Paladin in good gear. Better yet with a Hunter who can toss a mis-direction on the Pally to help with secondary aggro or OT'ing on one of the other adds. Bring a couple of Priests and sure, you could swing it without a bear Druid or Warrior.
My late night raid (just finished, full run in a new instance for the folks who'd missed our usual runs this week) single tanked moroes tonight, very little trouble if your tank can anticipate gouge and serker/spin accordingly.
We kept 2 adds shackled the entire fight.
We had the rogue's "ot" the holy priest, while one of the mages ran the MS warrior around in the back, We then stunlocked away the last of the MS warrior's life, and burned moroes. During the first vanish I disarmed the warrior.
3 seconds after he came out of vanish I beserkered, and kept it up on that pattern. Having watching him from early beta on my impression or "feel" for the gouge is pretty solid. It seems to me that his gouge cools down and then he has to choose to use it. The goal is to get it to cool down during the vanish, and then he'll usually queue it for after his first auto when he gets back to you. Brage makes you immune, and then it's on cooldown until he's in his vanish. Rinse repeat. Once you have him try to gouge you while you're immune immediately following a vanish, it works out neatly.
TBH single tanking wizard of oz was more hectic, as was the joy of single tanking the double protector pulls in the library.
So far, the double arcane pulls in Library aren't too tough. I think Remulo and Julianne are actually the worst to single tank in the instance, simply because during phase three you need to simultaniously juggle shieldbashes on Julianne, shieldslams on Remulo (dispelling his buff), and build enough aggro to overcome the raid simultaniously DPS'ing on two targets.
Self DoT.. If your healers can handle it, gouges are no longer an issue.
Just a little data on the Beautiful Crystal of Zin Malor.
Equipping this item in your trinket slot will result in a static physical DPS amount on the tank, ticking every second for supposedly 100-500 damage. I have seen ticks for as low as 74 damage and as high as 440 (in zerk stance). I do not know what causes this variance, or why it is lower than listed tooltip; armor value seems to not effect the amount although stances do. The amount of damage per second this trinket does is fixxed upon equip, and changes randomly each equip. Before the pull you should have your tank equip and re-equip the trinket repeatedly until you get a 'good' (sub-90) amount for tanking. This periodic damage will break all intimidating shouts, gouges, or any other break-on-damage effects. It is also useful for breaking PvP effects such as Polymorph, Icetrap, and it seems to significantly reduce the duration of fear and root effects, although I haven't had the balls to try it in arena. I used to make frequent use of it to single tank Ossirian the Unscarred in AQ20.
Note: When I single tank Moroes, I don't actually use the Crystal of Zin Malor. As Anias mentioned earlier, berserker rage can handle 90% of the gouges, and careful kiting can handle the rest. I did try to get all of our casters wearing one of these for Maiden though. I couldn't convince them, but it would have been hilarious.
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Because of some warriors that have lost interest in the game, one of my guild's Kara team will be forced to do Moroes with only 1 tank, I would love input on the viability of tanking Moroes with 1 tank, having him turn around to avoid gouge when bloodrage is not up until 3 adds are dead, after which a high aggro target can stand on the boss platform and jump down to avoid being attacked during gouge or similar.
Would love to see some creative input and suggestions.
Maybe have him tank Moroes and an add? Like leave one of the non elite guests alive and have it break gouge?
Maybe have him tank Moroes and an add? Like leave one of the non elite guests alive and have it break gouge?
The reason gouge is so problematic is because it removes the gouged person from the Acceptable Target List (oh yeah, ATL, just made that up).
No mob will choose to hit a gouged player when given the option (and in this case 9 other options) to hit something else. The extra mob will do exactly what Moroes does and run off to the next highest on his aggro list, more than likely a healer.
"There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge." - Bertrand Russell
The reason gouge is so problematic is because it removes the gouged person from the Acceptable Target List (oh yeah, ATL, just made that up).
No mob will choose to hit a gouged player when given the option (and in this case 9 other options) to hit something else. The extra mob will do exactly what Moroes does and run off to the next highest on his aggro list, more than likely a healer.
You are right. I could've sworn one time an add hit me while I was blinded, maybe that was just whirlwind.
It's doable, even if you're healers are in for a rough ride. Last Moroes kill we didn't have warriors in the raid so I had to tank it pretty much alone, with another paladin building aggro as best as he could with exorcism and RF healing (at the end of the fight while he was oom he even LoHed me to get +5k aggropoints and a bit of mana, priceless). Was certainly a bit of a rollercoaster since he wasn't top of aggro always, but Moroes went down.
If you have a DPS warrior, however, he can OT Moroes perfectly. I bet a shammy could withstand the pain too, but not sure he could reliably be 2nd on the list due to lack of aggro bonuses.
Doing kills with non-ideal setups is something i find very fun to pull off, and small guilds are usually forced to do this.
Now I need to find a way to palatank Maiden without destroying my keyboard...
We usually use a prot warrior and a feral druid to tank Moroes. For last week's run we were short our feral Druid, so I put on my tanking gear (mostly ilvl 100 - 115 blues and two Kara epics) and OTed Moroes. I had enough to take all of Moroes damage when our MT was gouged/blinded. I was also able to OT on Midnight and soak on Curator. It was more difficult on our healers, but it can be done. So, if you have a resto druid who has decent tanking gear it is worth a try.
We usually use a prot warrior and a feral druid to tank Moroes. For last week's run we were short our feral Druid, so I put on my tanking gear (mostly ilvl 100 - 115 blues and two Kara epics) and OTed Moroes. I had enough to take all of Moroes damage when our MT was gouged/blinded. I was also able to OT on Midnight and soak on Curator. It was more difficult on our healers, but it can be done. So, if you have a resto druid who has decent tanking gear it is worth a try.
I keep seeing tanking type classes listed as being the soak on Curator. My group uses a shadow priest to do this job. This way Misery and the various shadow debuff(s) are up when its time to DPS during evocate.
Our shadow priest doesn't wear any resist gear either so its not a matter of gearing.
Perhaps it is because we carry three full healers in the raid. It seems that many raids are heading toward two full healers and one hybrid healer in a DPS role most of the time?
I wonder why more people don't use a shadow priest soak? Maybe not everyone has a shadow priest?
I keep seeing tanking type classes listed as being the soak on Curator. My group uses a shadow priest to do this job. This way Misery and the various shadow debuff(s) are up when its time to DPS during evocate.
Our shadow priest doesn't wear any resist gear either so its not a matter of gearing.
Perhaps it is because we carry three full healers in the raid. It seems that many raids are heading toward two full healers and one hybrid healer in a DPS role most of the time?
I wonder why more people don't use a shadow priest soak? Maybe not everyone has a shadow priest?
We don't even have a dedicated soaker, generally we just heal whoever it hits.
I've single tanked Moroes before when we were at a loss for add control. We actually used the strat for a few weeks, though as the tank, you should probably stack armor and stamina. It was mostly tanking by feel, which is not something easily theorycrafted.
On the pull, generate as much threat as possible. After about 15-20 seconds, I pop berserker rage. When rage ends, I spin around with my back to him. Yes, you will get hit like much harder, and crushings will occur. As long as you communicate with your healers, it's manageable. He will vanish, and when he pops out, berserker rage is off cooldown. Use it immediately to prevent the gouge that can occur right as he gets to you. Use those 10 seconds to again build as much threat as possible. Face back for 20 seconds, and just continue raging whenever it is cool, barring right before a vanish.
I bet a shammy could withstand the pain too, but not sure he could reliably be 2nd on the list due to lack of aggro bonuses.
Oh dear god that's funny to me. Our geared enhance shaman (tier 2 BS mace, double mongoose 'chants, ect) tends to sit at 850-900 tps.....with salv. Biggest issue will be staying below the MT I'd say.
Now I need to find a way to palatank Maiden without destroying my keyboard...
Missing something...why isn't this possible? I mean the silence has to be a little bit of a pain but she doesn't seem to hit hard enough that crush immunity dropping for a quarter second would kill you, and it's not like you have to use cast times...
Missing something...why isn't this possible? I mean the silence has to be a little bit of a pain but she doesn't seem to hit hard enough that crush immunity dropping for a quarter second would kill you, and it's not like you have to use cast times...
Or is it a lot more vicious than it appears?
It's not really an issue, it just literally does what he said, destroy your keyboard. The only way to reliably cast on her is to repeatedly mash the button of the next ability you want to use.
It's not really an issue, it just literally does what he said, destroy your keyboard. The only way to reliably cast on her is to repeatedly mash the button of the next ability you want to use.
Tank it in zerk stance until he gouges. Pop zerkrage, switch to dstance for 28 seconds for agro/mitigation. Swap to zerk stance again, repeat. We had to do this on Magmadar back in the day since tremor was and still is complete crap for the MT group.
A prot pally can actually single-tank this I'm fairly sure, via the joy of BoSac. Sac on #2 threat (rogue, enhance shaman, ect, just someone who can take the hit).
Or put BoSac on the first garrote target, save BoP to remove the next garrote.
Tank it in zerk stance until he gouges. Pop zerkrage, switch to dstance for 28 seconds for agro/mitigation. Swap to zerk stance again, repeat. We had to do this on Magmadar back in the day since tremor was and still is complete crap for the MT group.
I'd be curious which would result in more damage taken. Would it be staying in zerk, taking the crushings, but having the avoidance from facing the mob, or staying in defensive stance and facing away from Moroes?
Probably depends on how you gear. The slightly more advanced version of the "turn around" method involves jumping between his autos and spinning, but I think the consensus seems to be:
You can single tank moroes, it requires far more effort on your tanks part than dual tanking him. On the upside, it's a bit easier on the healers since they don't have to swap to whoever the OT is when you get gouged, and by dodging the majority of gouges via rage or what have you your agro should be better.
04/24/07, 7:38 AM
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