Didn't they all rally again at the final battle, though? There had to be a decent number of them left. Emeraude is right about the blue dragonflight taking most of the damage, though.

The blue flight was basically completely annihilated with only Malygos surviving; though he was knocked away far and quite likely incurred major wounds then. From the other flights some were killed as well but far from any number that even came close to what happend to the blues.

Were it not for Korialastrasz, who, with the knowledge and tolerance of Nozdorum meddled a bit in the timeline, there wouldn't be any blues left.

The demon soul itself was bound with the essence of the four flights so they lost power and this enables the demon soul to take control over the dragons of these flights.

Yes they came back to the battle for the sundering. At that point Neltharion had lost the demon soul though, which was stolen from him by Malfurion (who got then captured by Illidan).

The blue flight was basically annihilated due to them charging Neltharion after he showed his true motives. He used them as an example for his newgained power.

Ok enough with the derail, topic is Hyjal not Neltharion's history :P

He does seem the most likely suspect to me. His children dead, the Black Dragonflight highly crippled. Father's revenge upon the world which has mutilated his form badly and taken his children?

If any horde are interested in doing Hyjal, we're going to be running a late night Mount Hyjal raid on PTR - probably around 11pm-12am tonight.
This is Horde, on the PvE server (less crowded!). We should have about 20 guildies, and spots for about 5 more. My character name there is Marauderfh.

I've been saying pretty much since we first saw the CoT instances that the Infinite Dragonflight is a front for the Black.

1) They look like the Black.

2) The tour guide in CoT says that the result of the disruption in ANY of the CoT instances will be the destruction of the world because the event is so crucial to the timeline. The interference isn't intended to help Archimonde or help anyone: it's to destroy the world. That's Deathwing's goal, because he's nuts.

3) The Black Dragonflight got way too much screen time in WoW 1.x to just abandon now. They're still out there, and waiting until WoW 3.x for the continuation of their storyline would be kind of weird.

I await with interest hearing how the infinite dragonflight interference occurs in Hyjal, but I wouldn't expect it to have the specific goal of helping Archimonde. It will have the goal of making sure that whatever happened doesn't happen this time. Could be helping Archimonde win. Could be killing Archimonde before he ever gets to the wisps so that the World Tree doesn't blow up. Could be killing off Jaina/Thrall.

Anyway, lovely as this lorecraft is, it's really all speculation and given that Metzen invented the Draenei Magic Spaceship to explain the expansion lore, we have very little chance of guessing exactly what he's going to have done here Wait and see.

http://www.wowwiki.com/images/1/1d/Deathwing2.jpg

This guy? Leading the infinite dragonflight?

That screenshot is a perfect indication of why Warcraft Adventures should be dead, buried, and never spoken of.

OK, so we're doing that Hyjal raid right now, about 10 of you msg'ed me, just msg me again to get into the raid (about 8 slots).
Name is Marauderfh on the PvE PTR, for a Hyjal raid.

With a fairly uncoordinated raid consisting of pugs from Shattrath, some assigned tasks (activating the idle NPCs, pulling random mobs off squishy NPCs), and a main assist, we've been consistently making it to the 8th wave the past two nights. At that point in time the abominations overwhelm us due to the aoe damage they put out.

Unless there's a trick we're missing, I think we're pretty much stuck without a dedicated and highly coordinated group.

How are your attempts going, Quigon?

Due to people having to sleep for work/school, and the fact that it was our first night in there, we only had 3 or 4 attempts. We got up to the 7th wave with the entire 6th wave dead.

Illidan was not there in WC3, he was only present in previous mission, killing Tichondrius, after which he went into hiding. So that's very unlikely.

So I'm compelled to ask; have anybody reached any bosses yet? Are these the same as in the WC3 mission?

If they are, it kind of makes you wonder how the final wave, that had Archimonde in it, will play out.

For famous NPCs only Tyrande and Malfurion should really be there as far as I know, though some Night Elves which only became known to the playerbase recently could be included as well (Like Fandral Staghelm).

Throwing a random guess here: since it's said that the interference of the Infinites is very small at the Hyjal event, it'd be somewhat safe to assume that they'd try to warn Archimonde as he's making his ascent to prevent his death. Archimonde would then obviously survive the battle of Mt. Hyjal (if you've ever played the WC3 mission you'd know that there's no way to kill him) and thus be able to crush the Night Elves, Humans and Orcs on Kalimdor and eventually be able to consume the World Tree without interference from silly wisps.


Think of it as the Infinite Dragonflight walking up to Archimonde and saying: "It's a trap!". Very minor interference that would bring about the end of the world.

I don't think anyones gotten to the first boss yet. It looks like 12 waves at Jaina, boss at 12th or after, then all of you get ported to Thralls base, another set of waves/boss, then port to Tyrande's base where who knows what happens - waves, bosses, script, ?

Two pugs I've been in now have consistently gotten to the 7th wave with 0 deaths and clean waves (everything dead before next), the fight doesn't seem too bad so far. I believe the abominations can be shackled so we just need to work on positioning so the NPCs aren't too close to them and break shackle.

One thing we've found is that AoE, hunter frost traps, paladin/priests for undead abilities (fear, shackle), and an emphasis on DPS over tanking/healing helps. I'd say 6-7 healers, 2-3 tanks, and rest all DPS seems ideal so far (only wave 8 though). One group I went in with had 7 warlocks and 5 mages, we were mowing down the mobs with seed of corruption/blastwave. You can drink between waves if you DPS fast enough, and run to Jaina for +100% spirit buff (evocate, etc) so mana is easy to blow each wave.

So far Hyjal seems tuned fairly well, I think any guilds should be able to get to the first boss within a week of practicing, no clue what the event will be like at Thralls base of course. I'm hoping they relax the keying requirements, right now Hyjal feels easier/faster/funner than SSC & TK.

I'm really enjoying mount Hyjal. I like how strategy can actually come into play on something as mindless as individual waves. However, it looks to be a bit much on waves 7-8 - we'll see though!
Its really a nice idea, and I'm pretty impressed with Hyjal in general.

I'd also like to add, that I appreciate all the interest in our run, but we only had a couple of actual spots for the EJ forum members (and those who did showed up played great). We generally don't hit PTR that hard, but perhaps we'll schedule a few more of these since there was a rather huge interest (but it would have to be pretty late for us actually... like midnight or later). Anyway I'll post again here if we go, with probably little to no warning. If the mods don't want me doing that that's fine also.

Eh? I don't remember hearing anything about the Emerald Dream's corruption being the work of an old god.

Neltharion mind was corrupted by an Old God, but as for the Emerald Dream;
from wowwiki:
My money's on a burning crusade tie-in.

That's fine. Feel free to bump Failure's thread -- that thread was meant to be an organizational hub for people who wanted to find experienced raiders for serious PTR raids.

Whereas it was previous thought that the avatar of Hakkar corrupted Eranikus, quest text from the scepter line indicates that Eranikus at least was corrupted by the Old Gods (which Hakkar may have been an agent of). Presumably it is the same thing that has happened to the other green dragons as well, given that it is Malfurion Stormrage that tells the player about both (scepter quest line as well as nightmare-shrouded object Moonglade event) and both were added with the AQ launch.

Malfurion Stormrage describes the Nightmare as the work of an ancient enemy that presumably the night elves and the dragons readily recognize. If it is not the Legion (and we have no real evidence or reason to believe it so) then it could well be the Old Gods. He also confirms in the Sunken Temple event that Eranikus was twisted by the same evil the player was attempting to destroy (C'Thun, in this case).

The evidence is there. I think it's pretty clear, at least.

That is, unless Blizzard rewrites that, anyway.

I had fun, I hope there will be some more runs in the future.