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Old 04/29/07, 6:57 PM   #1
Enervate
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So I'm wondering who else here has attempted this fight. The fight does not seem overly hard, however healer mana seemed to become an issue later in the fight, and killing the adds fast enough. Granted, we were short on shadow priests last night, and probably didn't have as much AOE as we would have liked. Hopefully tonight will be better.

We were thinking of using arcane resist, however the stacking debuff would seem to make using such gear an exercise in futility as all of it will be negated not long into the fight. I read about a few abilities the boss supposedly had before we did our attempts such as the Mana Storm (conjures a large mana storm hitting everyone within 35 yards for 4000 arcane damage every 2 sec for 10 seconds) which I am assuming is an enrage because we got here to 60ish% without seeing this ability. The only abilities I've seen at this point is the Arcane Missiles which seem to have a frontal cone mechanic (if you face her away from the raid she hits nobody but the main tank with it), Mark of Solarian (raidwide stacking debuff that does damage when applied and lowers arcane resistance), and Wrath of the Astromancer which is still a bit cloudy to me. It seems to target a random person (although there may be a threat mechanic involved) and jumps to the person closest to them when the debuff runs it's course (not 100% sure about that).

We kill the adds in time every time, but we don't have much if any time to DPS her after the adds are down. Any discussion/input on this particular boss would be great.

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Old 04/29/07, 7:56 PM   #2
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The question is, HOW FAST are you killing the adds, are they down before the priests spawn? if not, you are not fast enough. The fight is kinda
a) dps boss
b) ae those 15+ adds
c) prevent priests from healing and kill em
goto a)

dont want to spoil more

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Old 04/29/07, 10:06 PM   #3
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is it advised to start attempting him before we clear SSC, minus vash.

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Old 04/29/07, 10:49 PM   #4
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Probably not.

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Old 04/29/07, 10:59 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Stefan View Post
is it advised to start attempting him before we clear SSC, minus vash.
Should you compose questions without using caps, without a question mark, and without mistaking a boss for an anime character?

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Old 04/29/07, 11:13 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Nite_Moogle View Post
Should you compose questions without using caps, without a question mark, and without mistaking a boss for an anime character?
This must be one of those rhetorical questions I hear so much about...

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Old 04/30/07, 12:31 AM   #7
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Just killed her 10ish minutes ago...we changed our strat concerning the AOE adds and it worked pretty well. lol @ the 20% "enrage"

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Old 04/30/07, 1:49 AM   #8
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Anyone killing her without abusing corpses or a suicide strat? =p

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Old 04/30/07, 2:17 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Sebudai View Post
Anyone killing her without abusing corpses or a suicide strat? =p
Yes. Once you have the logic of the debuff and DoT down, you can trivialize both with some fairly straightforward raid placement.

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Old 04/30/07, 3:45 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Harn View Post
Yes. Once you have the logic of the debuff and DoT down, you can trivialize both with some fairly straightforward raid placement.
Agreed.

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Old 04/30/07, 3:50 AM   #11
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The only abilities I've seen at this point is the Arcane Missiles which seem to have a frontal cone mechanic (if you face her away from the raid she hits nobody but the main tank with it)
Uhm aren't the missiles random nukes, just like aran?

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Old 04/30/07, 3:55 AM   #12
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Did you try splitting your raid into ranged at max-ability range and melee?

You should be doing this for any new encounter you try.

edit: well its rather max-ability range minus mindflay

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Old 04/30/07, 4:19 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by rei View Post
Uhm aren't the missiles random nukes, just like aran?
They appear to only target someone who is within 90 degrees to the left or right of her primary threat. This includes pets and totems. Within that area, yes, it's random.

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Old 04/30/07, 4:19 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by koaschten View Post
Did you try splitting your raid into ranged at max-ability range and melee?

You should be doing this for any new encounter you try.

edit: well its rather max-ability range minus mindflay
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Old 04/30/07, 4:23 AM   #15
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sagen, have you done the encounter? successfully?
the spell you linked is the frontal one, on the target with highest threat.

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Old 04/30/07, 4:32 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by koaschten View Post
sagen, have you done the encounter? successfully?
the spell you linked is the frontal one, on the target with highest threat.
What exactly are you max ranging?

You obviously aren't max ranging a spell with a 45 yard range.

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Old 04/30/07, 4:34 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by sagen View Post
What exactly are you max ranging?

You obviously aren't max ranging a spell with a 45 yard range.
If I were to guess, I would assume he's talking about specified groups the Wrath is bouncing between, namely the melee vs the ranged.

This protects the melee from ranged Wrath cycles, and vice versa.

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Old 04/30/07, 4:52 AM   #18
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Sorry, sagen, i am not going to give you a walkthrough, if someone else does, ok

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Old 04/30/07, 5:03 AM   #19
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Originally Posted by koaschten View Post
Sorry, sagen, i am not going to give you a walkthrough, if someone else does, ok
I wasn't asking for your advice, I was making the point that your advice doesn't seem very good.

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Old 04/30/07, 5:11 AM   #20
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it's fairly straight easy to figure out how to avoid that anyone gets more then 1 stack of the +50% arcane dmg taken. The problem we have atm is that four locks and four mages cannot kill the 15 spawns until astromancer is back. :P

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Old 04/30/07, 5:14 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by kaib View Post
it's fairly straight easy to figure out how to avoid that anyone gets more then 1 stack of the +50% arcane dmg taken. The problem we have atm is that four locks and four mages cannot kill the 15 spawns until astromancer is back. :P
Why do you expect 8 people to DPS down 15 mobs?

What are the other 17 people doing?

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Old 04/30/07, 5:56 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by Harn View Post
Yes. Once you have the logic of the debuff and DoT down, you can trivialize both with some fairly straightforward raid placement.
Good, because it seems like it would be pretty easy to exploit the hell out of this encounter. I'm pretty sure I know what the intended strat is, but I'm kinda disappointed because it's nowhere near the easiest way to kill her as she is right now.

I think.

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Old 04/30/07, 6:28 AM   #23
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Good, because it seems like it would be pretty easy to exploit the hell out of this encounter. I'm pretty sure I know what the intended strat is, but I'm kinda disappointed because it's nowhere near the easiest way to kill her as she is right now.

I think.
There is a simple solution to that line of thinking with the debuff, hopefully it will be fixed to prevent abuse. Not sure i would call it the easiest way to kill her however the intended way is pretty easy to deal with, just need some good position and a little practice.

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Old 04/30/07, 7:01 AM   #24
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There's atleast two ways to abuse the encounter. One of them is a clear bug exploit, and the other is what seems to be a complete oversight by the designer.

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Old 04/30/07, 7:29 AM   #25
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I can think of two small oversights when combined with some creative thinking could be exploited, maybe you found something different all together i don't know. Either way hopefully they get fixed soon.

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