Well, I'll just say it.

Yeah didn't think of that. However let me add on to your line of thought with another oversight i noticed.



But either way that will obviously be fixed and i don't see it saving to many wipes as the intended way is pretty easy just gotta make sure the raid understands how it works and what could cause problems with it.

Not sure if these spoiler tags are needed at all, but I figured better safe than sorry!

It's much easier in the long run to simply learn how to do a fight the right way the first time instead of having to relearn the encounter once they fix it.

That's debatable, and ultimately pointless to say, given Blizzard's track record.

They have implemented far too many fights that use particular strategies, such as Line of Site, or creative Mind Controls, to name a few, while simultaneously 'hotfixing' or flat out banning people for using the same methods on other fights.

I am not condoning the use of either of these apparant oversites to accomplish the objective, and agree there is certainly an 'intended' approach. However, you should be careful about throwing terms such as 'the right way' around, as often times, there is no real way to be sure exactly what they had in mind, and they just make you sound haughty and arrogant.

That being said, we probably would have had her tonight(last night?) if Seb hadn't DCed for 2 hours :P

Actually, your post radiates much more haughtiness & arrogance than mine even came close to. Nevertheless, perhaps I should rephrase for those of you who get needlessly defensive about the use of terms like "the right way".

It is pointless, in my mind, to pursue a strategy (on any boss) that depends on exploiting an obvious oversight/bug. In the long run, it is very likely that the oversight/bug will be fixed and then your strategy will be for naught, thus requiring you to "relearn" the fight, wasting your guild's time. I'm not trying to judge those who do so, it's simply not the way I like to do things. If it's your thing, then it's your thing.

Blizzard has backtracked and put the bus in reverse on so many boss strategies that really there is no point in guessing the "right" way - you might as well just figure out *any* way to kill the boss, then do it and worry about possible changes later. Or else we would all be waiting around for hotfixes and bug changes all the time, and that is just no fun.

Honestly, I don't think anyone was really looking for a walk through for the fight. The fight in itself is VERY straightforward, let's be honest, there is a trick or two to dealing with the debuffs, but all it takes is a few attempts to figure that out anyway.

I believe most people here discussing the boss have killed her, if not, are very close to doing so.

Grats on your kill, but nobody is looking for handouts.

As i said up there, there is obviously a trick or two to dealing with the debuff, the method of corpses seems like a bugged trick, however, there is another `trick` that seems to be a little more intended, if you will (we haven't fully tested it)

Boss strategies the right way. Good times, good stuff... Leo, lurker, tidewalker, Hydross, and now astromancer!
Although, this one seems to skirt more toward the edge of exploit - still... not really one is it.

While you can kill someone off to serve as a Wrath sponge, what ultimately worked for us turned out to be even simpler -- and required no corpse trickery, LoS, or sleight of hand. Control the missiles, the debuff, and the DoT, and she'll fall over at 20%. Doing these things is mainly a matter of placement, and a bit of Thaddius-style raid awareness. Nothing remotely exploitative is necessary, or (in my opinion) even beneficial.

A bit less strategy oriented, if no one minds:

What exactly changed from whenever the first Void Reaver kill was, to now? We poked her for the first time a bit after our first Void Reaver kill this week, and based off of that night's attempts, and this evening, I see nothing out of the ordinary that would have made her unkillable, and can only assume that something changed.

I hear rumors of decreased hitpoints, and one of her spells in particular doesn't appear to match up to it's in-game functionality. Namely, the Wrath of the Astromancer that we've been talking about, according to thottbot, has an inital 2400 Arcane Damage component to it. To my knowledge, I've yet to be hit with any extra damage from WotA, aside from the DoT component.

Now, those two changes above, assuming the HP decrease was in the range of 2 million as it's been asserted, I can see making her extremely difficult. Though with some trickery, as we've discussed to a degree, I still see her as possible.

Any other changes that wouldn't be known to someone who only fought her within the last 2 weeks?

That's usually the case, it's just good to see more content being killed and people moving along then stuck with the said, X number of bosses as it's been for quite some time.

Also Harn, check your PMs if you've got a second.

Just to re-iterate for those of us who have ADD and can't access thottbot for spell descriptions : We don't need Arcane Resist for any portion of this fight?

You shouldn't.

Wonderful, glad to see that week of farming regs and mats for various AR items paid off!

AR on the tank would make sense.

I think it's more along the lines of, her debuff stacks very high and fairly quickly almost negating the need for AR. They will possibly reduce the value of her mark.

I could be wrong, but i'm thinking thats it. Who knows if you'll even really need it after the patch still anyway if thats the case.

It's equally pointless for anyone to try to say what IS an exploit or bug and what isn't.
Blizzard has never, ever, ever had a clear set of rules they wanted people to follow, and has always been extremely inconsistent in encounter design.

As far as the "fixing" of oversights/bugs goes, the fixes are also simultaneous with rebalancing on the other end of the spectrum. If they do fix the corpse bug, they are also reducing the number of adds. If they do fix limited Invuln pots on Leotheras, they will also retune the number of hitpoints on shades.

Yeah, I think the only serious change made to the fight is the trash going from 45 min to 2h respawn. With 45 min respawn spending time here with those trash groups around was very painful. After the fix, people just didn't take good looks as some top guilds claimed it to be nearly undoable.

At least we attempted her on the day the trash was changed to 2h and from what I saw theres no HP difference on boss or adds. And nothing else changed as well, from what I could see.

They will have to completely re-work how the mark works, because as it stands, Arcane resistance will be negated before you actually really need it.

Not to derail, but to support this I'm not sure that anyone can say the 'common' way that people killed Ouro with was the intended way. Lord knows what it was supposed to be, though. Y-formation worked well enough... so yeah

http://www.thottbot.com/test/s33023

This is the "Mark of Solarian" from the PTR version, it reduces Arcane Resistance by 15 per stack, instead of 30.