Tailoring sets supposedly nerfed on PTR

Canadianpimp · 04/30/07, 7:54 PM

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...98656941&sid=1

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...98906973&sid=1

Just finished my Frozen Shadoweave set yesterday. Ouch.

Manniefresh · 04/30/07, 7:55 PM

Although it may be warranted in the long run, I'll be fucking pissed if this goes live. They said they're adding more int to Shadoweave? Huh?

Mearis · 04/30/07, 8:01 PM

I posted this in the other thread, but I hope they will reconsider the other DPS nerfs. The main reason our DPS was so out of wack is because we had itemization head and shoulders above other classes.

heebus · 04/30/07, 8:01 PM

Originally Posted by Manniefresh

Although it may be warranted in the long run, I'll be fucking pissed if this goes live. They said they're adding more int to Shadoweave? Huh?

May I ask why you would be so pissed? We lose 34 shadow damage which according to the warlock dps spreadsheet is a loss of 5dps. Unless I did something wrong, they mainly changed this to make the set more mage friendly.

Manniefresh · 04/30/07, 8:06 PM

Originally Posted by heebus

May I ask why you would be so pissed? We lose 34 shadow damage which according to the warlock dps spreadsheet is a loss of 5dps. Unless I did something wrong, they mainly changed this to make the set more mage friendly.

How many Mages do you know with the Frozen Shadoweave set?

Litany · 04/30/07, 8:07 PM

Though some kind of change was needed, I think, it's frustrating how they went about it, and it hints at a greater problem in itemization theory at Blizzard. These sets were excellently itemized. Aside from the fact that they had specific school damage, they just spent item points well. Now, they're removing damage and adding intellect? What? Poor itemization on tailoring items doesn't make tiered sets better. What needs to happen is more intelligent distribution of stats. They don't need to be perfect, but there's a huge margin between perfect and awful; somewhere closer to perfect than awful on the sliding bar would be nice.

It's more difficult for healing gear to quantify the benefits of healing vs. mp/5 for instance, but for DPS classes, aside from the quasi-benefits of stamina, it's almost pure math. Math that changes depending on spec, sure, but there's a best DPS spec for most classes too. Gear should be itemized towards that end. Anything else is nothing short of frustrating.

Canadianpimp · 04/30/07, 8:07 PM

Originally Posted by heebus

May I ask why you would be so pissed? We lose 34 shadow damage which according to the warlock dps spreadsheet is a loss of 5dps. Unless I did something wrong, they mainly changed this to make the set more mage friendly.

Because instead of buffing a lackluster Tier 4 set that level 115 blues compare with or making Tier 5 worth a damn, they just nerfed the most popular profession of clothies.

The reason why most clothies are tailors isn't because the tailoring sets are ridiculously overpowered; it's that the raid gear is horrible itemized. There's no problem that a crafted epic set in a profession that can cost over 5000 gold to level is better than entry-level raid content. And while I agree that items in SSC/TK and onwards should be at as good or better than the crafted epics, the solution isn't to nerf tailoring.

heebus · 04/30/07, 8:12 PM

Originally Posted by Manniefresh

How many Mages do you know with the Frozen Shadoweave set?

I know quite a few frost mages who have the set. But its not that big a deal. Is 5 dps (~0.5% of your dps) really worth crying about?

civatateo · 04/30/07, 8:13 PM

this is fine.. if they change shadow weaving back to what it was. everyone's always known that the tailored sets were too good considering how early you could get them. for priests though, it hurts more, since our T4/T5 dps sets are garbage.

Crazytrucker · 04/30/07, 8:16 PM

Any news on mooncloth by chance?

ayb · 04/30/07, 8:21 PM

Ah I remember the nerf of Invulnerable Mail like it was yesterday, welcome to our world casters

Vhad · 04/30/07, 8:21 PM

I'm on the other side of the fence here not having the tailored set. It's been frustrating knowing the best upgrades you can get for your primary role in the game would be to reroll proffessions.. But the way they went about this is just plain stupid, even from one from the order side of the fence. The sets were perfectly fine, the problem was that raid ugprades and tier sets weren't good enough, so they marginally upgrade tier5 and nerf the tailored gear to match the lackluster tier5, what? It seems very messed up and doesn't build any confidence in Blizzard's itemization team, however low it was to begin with.

The Iron Colonel · 04/30/07, 8:22 PM

Originally Posted by civatateo

this is fine.. if they change shadow weaving back to what it was. everyone's always known that the tailored sets were too good considering how early you could get them. for priests though, it hurts more, since our T4/T5 dps sets are garbage.

Not to stir up an argument, but my understanding from the shadow priests in my guild is that they are essentially limited by the threat ceiling right now. If that's the case, how would changing shadow weaving back help your shadow priest's dps? Admittedly it would help other casters, but I don't see how adding damage to a class that is threat capped makes much of a difference, to be honest.

Nonetheless, it still sucks to get nerfed.

• Snowy · 04/30/07, 8:23 PM

I fully expect the Blizzard threads to erupt into a full blown whinefest, I hope we don't get that here. For the last several months, the common theme here has been "Tailoring items are why casters have been so overpowered vs other classes in raiding." Now they're nerfing them down a little bit, by the only way they can. They can't go and remove sockets from them now, because that would cause a shitstorm of epic proportions.

Can anyone really sit here and be surprised they're nerfing these? I wouldn't be surprised to see them nerf Spellstrike a little bit as well. But again, they can't really remove the sockets now, and that was what really put the items over the top.

Malorum · 04/30/07, 8:25 PM

Not a bad nerf at all and probably need to happen with how good they were in comparison to other pieces of gear of the same iLVL. I don't think anyone can say they didn't really see this coming.