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Old 05/22/07, 7:54 AM   #1226
Osse
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Sigh. :|

It's nice that melee gets a 20-25 dps meta gem and hunters get minor speed increase.

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Old 05/22/07, 8:20 AM   #1227
Keline
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Originally Posted by Osse View Post
Sigh. :|

It's nice that melee gets a 20-25 dps meta gem and hunters get minor speed increase.
Try being a healer, completly forgotten when half the content was itemized

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Old 05/22/07, 8:41 AM   #1228
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Originally Posted by Osse View Post
Sigh. :|

It's nice that melee gets a 20-25 dps meta gem and hunters get minor speed increase.
What about this one?

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32410

Increased haste rating (240 for 6 seconds) seems pretty nice for all physical damage classes.

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Old 05/22/07, 8:54 AM   #1229
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Originally Posted by Osse View Post
Sigh. :|

It's nice that melee gets a 20-25 dps meta gem and hunters get minor speed increase.
So ... where'd you get your DPS numbers from this time? You can call me incredulous after the last time you started talking melee DPS numbers.

What about this one?

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32410

Increased haste rating (240 for 6 seconds) seems pretty nice for all physical damage classes.
Aye, though I'd guess there is an inherent disadvantage to proc-based haste on hunters -> it could be changing your rotation on the fly with no warning.

Right now melee DPS metagems outrank the others in my eyes.

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Old 05/22/07, 9:39 AM   #1230
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Haste is bad for hunters if the effect doesnt reduce global cooldown.

And the 20-25 dps is with my own numbers, dont know how much it would increase average rogue or warrior.

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Old 05/22/07, 9:56 AM   #1231
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Originally Posted by Osse View Post
And the 20-25 dps is with my own numbers, dont know how much it would increase average rogue or warrior.
You're telling me you are dealing 700DPS only on crits?

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Old 05/22/07, 10:03 AM   #1232
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So It's 3% critical damage bonus, correct? Which means that if you do 1000 damage on a hit you'll do 2030 damage on a crit.

Adding a point of Lethality to my DPS on the rogue DPS Spreadsheet = ~9 DPS, and that's 6% critical damage bonus, so the meta gem = ~4.5 DPS by that estimation.

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Old 05/22/07, 10:04 AM   #1233
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Does anyone know what this means?

Mind control no longer has a 100 yard range limitation in instances.

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Old 05/22/07, 10:06 AM   #1234
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Originally Posted by xerkos View Post
Does anyone know what this means?
It must mean mob's MC, because the priest MC breaks after 20yds, as is.

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Old 05/22/07, 10:06 AM   #1235
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Originally Posted by xerkos View Post
Does anyone know what this means?
it means "fattest trains ever" I guess


BTW in the patchnotes I've read something about Spell haste rating being nerfed, does that mean they nuked the Scarab of the infinite Cycle?

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Old 05/22/07, 10:06 AM   #1236
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I'm guessing that should be Mind Vision.

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Old 05/22/07, 10:12 AM   #1237
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Originally Posted by suicuique View Post
You're telling me you are dealing 700DPS only on crits?
This is the guy who claims Mongoose is a 90 DPS enchant.

Anyway, using a very quick hack to the spreadsheet I'm getting my "crit" DPS to be about 245 (70 Mut, 175 other). Assuming it's additive (2.0 -> 2.03 and 2.3 -> 2.33), that means it'd be around 4 DPS increase for me.

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Old 05/22/07, 10:13 AM   #1238
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Originally Posted by Cel View Post
It must mean mob's MC, because the priest MC breaks after 20yds, as is.
I thought that, but it is listed under Priest changes. I will just assume they fixed Mind Vision.

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Old 05/22/07, 10:43 AM   #1239
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Originally Posted by Keline View Post
it means "fattest trains ever" I guess


BTW in the patchnotes I've read something about Spell haste rating being nerfed, does that mean they nuked the Scarab of the infinite Cycle?
Yes, obviously. You need more spell haste rating to get the same haste %, thus anything that gives spell haste rating will be less effective.

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Old 05/22/07, 10:54 AM   #1240
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Originally Posted by suicuique View Post
You're telling me you are dealing 700DPS only on crits?
I have 47% crit with survival spec, maybe not 700 but its not far off.

Edit: I had probably included the agility with kings and lightning reflexes to that 20ish dps.

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Old 05/22/07, 11:08 AM   #1241
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Originally Posted by Osse View Post
I have 47% crit with survival spec, maybe not 700 but its not far off.
Forgive me for sounding skeptical, but doesn't that mean you do around 1450 DPS total? o_O

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Old 05/22/07, 11:15 AM   #1242
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That'll be (0.47*2.33+0.53)/(0.47*2.3+0.53)-1=0.00875 or an 0.875% increase in total DPS So yeah, it's not that far, only 2k more DPS to go

Edit. That's with 3% crit damage bonus as listed here

Last edited by Kaiten : 05/22/07 at 11:24 AM.

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Old 05/22/07, 11:40 AM   #1243
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Alright then. ~9 dps from the crit damage bonus (yes, I can do 1000 dps in stable fights with survival spec, especially in next patch)

15.18 agi turns to 3.795 attack power increasement to expose weakness. You have 12 players in the raid that deal physical damage. (pets, tanks)

45.54 attack power there.

15.18 agii turns to 15.78 attack power with new talent.

Total attack power 61.3 / 14 = 4.38

0.3795% crit being 0.3076% increase to damage so.. 3 dps from that.

Then I could include pet gaining 0.5 dps from the extra attack power.

So in total: 9+4.38+3+0.5 = 16.88

Point still is, why is it melee only and the best hunter meta gem is still 24 attack power?

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Old 05/22/07, 11:50 AM   #1244
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