Am I the only one who thinks tanking him as http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Rf0E0MczgIzbZZqA0cobco
would be fun?

P.S. I've tanked progression twin emps baack when as a mage (For 70% of the fight easily too! but then the warriors descided to die again and again)

Surviving would be easy, but basically any class with 365 FR can tank Leo in demon form. It's building enough aggro to allow for meaningful DPS that's the harder part.

Along with a HP flask having some nightmare seeds and a fire resist pot for an oh shit button helped me a lot when tanking this fight.

Demonic resilience should do little, -3% to be melee/spell crit is great in PvP, but no so much with ranged tanking a boss. The 15% less damage recieved by your pet does not apply to Soul Link damage.

Well Gurg the idea is that without salv and the talent even frost bolt aggro should be adequate, and with ice block for 15% easy healing (also fire ward) I think this would be a good alternative for a guild that might lose it's warlock once in a while.

Also: Arcane power, misdirects -- it must be doable with two hunters.

Also, didn't they remove searing pain + threat? Or at least planned to? Or was it mind blast/earthshock, I am not exactly sure on this.

Pretty sure all those abilities are still considered "high threat".

Searing pain still has threat attached to it. Misdirects do not add continuous threat - they are mostly good for smoothing a pull, transition / landing, or for a small boost in times of crisis.

Searing pain still does bonus threat. Mind blast lost its extra threat. Earth shock's extra threat was moved to frost shock, presumably to allow for easier kiting.

You aren't trying to mitigate/resist the damage though, you're trying to resist the debuff. Warlocks make the ideal tanks, because they're ranged, and it allows the melee to do a bit more than clean their weapons. Druids are generally the second best option, due to identical FR gear, available through Heroics/Craftage, plus an extra 15% general avoidance for spells of this kind.

It's usually benefical to everyone involved if, at the split, you sic a feral on the Demon, assuming she has 5/5 Pred. Instincts.

Sorry for the tangent.

Probably doable with other classes but I dont think anything builds threat faster than a Curse of Doom, Soulfire followed by searing pain. Since he drops aggro on shifts and his shifts are 1 min (same time as COD) warlock tanking would be prefered since the goal isnt just to have someone survive the chaos blast but to have someone build quick threat so the raid can DPS as much as possible during a time where they dont have to worry pulling a whirlwind into parts of the raid.

Completely off-topic, but it was changed for enhancement shaman DPS purposes. Stormstrike gives the target a nature vuln, so the natural follow-up is Earth Shock. If ES still generated double threat, that would have comedic/tragic (depending on your perspective) results for the shaman.

On topic!
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hEczE0MqAotZV0ez
Frostshocks, misdirects, etc! Shaman tank!

Nether Protection most certainly can proc off AoE spells. This is easily testable by having a mage Blast Wave you, or a priest Psychic Scream.

As far as it proccing off of Leotheras' Chaos Blasts, as people have said already, it does not. Blizzard screwed up a lot of things proccing Nether Protection in their attempts to make it not proc off of Loatheb's heal-detection pulsing aura. Rather than fix the aura itself, they nerfed the talent. It no longer procs off things like elemental attacks, and some random abilities where it certainly should, such as Chaos Blast.

I don't see why it would be a particularly good thing to have Nether Protection, though. Having Leotheras Bolt the melee twice every time it procs would quickly result in dead melee.

I was Soul Link for my guild's recent first kill. Although it is not actually mitigated damage, it can certainly keep the Warlock alive for that little bit longer at 15%.

once your warlock as establised solid aggro below 15%, he can just run around the pillar kiting... just make sure he doesnt lose aggro to healers

i believe this is what our warlocks use for tanking leo http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=AZbxczIiz0xsZxx0trhdz

And what about the way to equip tank-warlock after 365(225+70md+70aura)fr cap? Greens "of stamina" to maximize hp or i need some reasonable +spd,hit,crit to establish enough threat?

I have the same question.

I've pretty much put together the gear I plan on using, and it comes up to the following. All numbers are unbuffed.

308 FR, 10k HP, 480 +dmg, approx. 100 hit rating.

If anyone could point out any numbers that seem too low for the encounter, please do so. I'd like to make sure I have everything set and ready to go once we decide to go for Leo.

I really don't see the point in Soul Link for Warlock tanking. People screamed bloody murder if you weren't SL for the Twin Emps even though it made little to no difference. Nether Protection seems more like an absolute must in that when you proc immunity he'll switch to a different target and Chaos Blast them once (causing little to no damage to them, compared to the massive fire bolt that would have hit the Warlock at that time).

Although, now in the days of widespread KTM use, wouldn't it be prudent to use two Warlock tanks?

From what I've read in this thread, Leotheras' abilites don't proc Nether protection.

As far as Soul Link goes, I never had it when tanking Twin Emps, and I'm not sure I'll have it for Leo either, unless I sense there's a need for it after giving the fight a couple tries.

ofcourse

Leotheras Chaos Blast does not procc nether protection no.
The difference with SL-build or demo tree on leotheras is the survivability.
15% more stamina
3% more stamina
6% more healing recieved(minor, but can save your ass)
35/70 more fire res - thats another item you can use for dps
and Soul Link which, and thats the main point, lets you survive a little more

Lets see, you have 16k life(i have 15.8k wo flask).
That means starting from 5 debuffs i can die if i get 2 non-resists in a row and not a single heal inbetween.
At 9 debuffs i will probably die when the 10th is about to hit.
With SL i´ll survive the 12th blast, thats 11x1675+sth = 18425++ dam, cause its only 14.8k dam i eat.

Point remains, you dont need SL/Demo to do this, but it feels somewhat safer especially if you dont get the 15% split at the proper time.
Besides, someone could do the maths and compare a SLed Felguard with a SLed Felhunter or Destro build, i think SL Felguard comes out on top threat wise.

I find it hard to believe that the 5% damage gained from Felguard MD even remotely approaches the effect of Ruin on searing pain, when you can get 20% crit to it from talents alone.

youre free to do your calcs ill just sum my thought up:
A destro specc all the way down gives you
[5% crit - devastation]
50% crit bonus - ruin
10% more dam on SP - emberstorm
3% crit - backlash
A little threat you gain from Soul leech
[10% more crit chance on SP - improved SP]

If you use your common-all-day destro build to tank him and have improved searing pain in that - ok thats your thing

Compare that to something like:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=AZfx0zIiz0tstxx0tbb
30 more dam - fel armor
5% more dam + 35 resis - master dem
5% more dam - Soul link
110? spelldamage - DK
5% crit - DT
+
[5% crit - devastation]
[10% SP crit - improved SP]
35 more resis is one more good item you can use for damage.

Now, substracting what both equal out:
2% crit, ~140spelldam and 1 item VS
50% crit bonus and SLeech threat

Some theorycraft numbers:
In 100 SP both builds would loose like 8-9% to misses.
Assuming a 20% crit chance with all your FR gear on as destro, that would give Demo 22%.
+10% SP crit rating oc
The 1 item, i just take as 30 spelldam - thats 170 for demo then.

If your average raidbuffed SP(CoE, Misery and Mage scorch) now hits for 700, demo will hit for 770.
(30xcrits for 1400 + 70x700 - 8x700) *2 = 170.800
(32xcrits for 1155 + 68x770 - 8x770) *2 = 166.320

Your right, you will probably end up higher in numbers as destro, but prolly not by as much as you think.


But to bring this thing back on topic:
You can do it with both builds, if youre rather safe, take a SL build, if you dont fancy 100g respecc costs for a night or two, keep your destro build.