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Old 05/19/07, 2:44 PM   #1
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Fel Mana potion and healers

Let me just say I did do a search but I wasn't able to find anything, I guess mana is a popular word around here.

Does any healer use Fel mana potions, at all, or are they seen as strictly hunter/enhancement shaman potion? If you do use it, do you use it at the beginning, or near the end?

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Old 05/19/07, 3:11 PM   #2
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I use it for fights where I know I need every ounce of mana to spare and combined with Alchemist's Stone, it frequently fills 2/3rds of my mana pool. That being said, alchemist stones usually make it more than enough to use super pots, or even combats if I want to be a cheap bastard. Thus, the only times I use this is for progression learning. Once we start killing the boss, I switch back pretty quickly.

Edit: Enhancement shaman potion? Huh? I've never had major mana issues that couldn't be rectified with a smaller potion until SR was up again. Of course, I haven't been raiding as enhancement for two months so I can't speak for them.

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Old 05/19/07, 3:12 PM   #3
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I prefer fel manas to SMPs, but they're more expensive to make and hard to find up on AH.

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Old 05/19/07, 4:55 PM   #4
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I use these all the time aswell on my paladin, I usually bubble out of the second debuff if I dont need it for anything else that fight.

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Old 05/19/07, 5:07 PM   #5
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Did they change it? I remember the bubble not clearing the debuff, not that it's a huge issue.

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Old 05/19/07, 5:09 PM   #6
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Last prince kill I downed 1 fel mana and 1 super, I bubbled when the axes were on me, but I had no fel mana debuff on me when the fight ended, and our kills definatly don't take 15 minutes.

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Old 05/20/07, 1:37 PM   #7
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A fairly narrow thread, but I'll toss this in --

I was also reluctant to use any potion which had a negative side effect. But it's a guaranteed 3200 mana; on average, this is double what a Super Mana Potion will give me. I also have +1400 Healing - you're telling me I can keep on casting for another minute as if I had "only" +1350? Yes, please.

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Old 05/20/07, 3:42 PM   #8
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It's invaluable for hunters and enhance shamans since the debuff doesn't apply to any of their critical abilities.

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Old 05/20/07, 3:48 PM   #9
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Its useless for enhance shaman as we don't have mana issues. A haste potion is a far better use of that cooldown slot.

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Old 05/20/07, 3:50 PM   #10
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I don't use them mainly because I'm cheap. I really like to go for dreamless sleep potions. I wouldn't say that dreamless sleep is better but it does give the same amount of mana, and I can time it with my bangle and the time spent not casting results in a lot of extra mana that I gain from spirit as well while asleep.

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Old 05/20/07, 4:35 PM   #11
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As a priest who uses pots a lot, but is not an alchemist ... yes, these things are great. The loss of 50 or 100 healing from 1650 raid buffed is minimal, when traded for a guaranteed 3200 mana (instead of a low-end 1500 hit or so from a SMP).

I tend to use them more on our progression encounters -- Gruul and Magtheridon -- simply because they are too expensive to blow on regular content (and most of the time I don't have to).

The one fight that I do use them on in Karazhan is Illhoof. With our strat, the fight takes just long enough that mana is a real issue for the 2-3 healers. Anything I can do to get extra back is appreciated.

And while I'd love an Alchemist's Stone ... I'm not able to drop my two professions to get it. :-(

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Old 05/20/07, 4:47 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Lord BEEF View Post
I don't use them mainly because I'm cheap. I really like to go for dreamless sleep potions. I wouldn't say that dreamless sleep is better but it does give the same amount of mana, and I can time it with my bangle and the time spent not casting results in a lot of extra mana that I gain from spirit as well while asleep.
I often find myself worrying about emergency healing, especially since I primarily heal the MT, such that I can't find the time to get out of combat to use these effectively.

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Old 05/20/07, 10:01 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by constantius View Post
The one fight that I do use them on in Karazhan is Illhoof. With our strat, the fight takes just long enough that mana is a real issue for the 2-3 healers. Anything I can do to get extra back appreciated.

On a fairly random note:
Take 2 rogues, or get your one rogue to just sit and save energy for the demon chains while keeping wound poison up on illhoof. Fight goes from a 8 minute kill to a 4 minuite one. Easy your healers shouldnt have mana issues if the demon chains are being dealt with swiftly enough. A /target demon macro for all the raids dpsers will help hugely too.

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Old 05/20/07, 11:36 PM   #14
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Enhancement shamans also can do some pretty decent DPS on the chains. I had respecced to Enhancement from Elemental, and lucked out on a Decapitator drop from Prince. With that and a blue 70 axe, I was 35% of the damage on the chains alone, and it was the easiest Illhoof kill our guild has had I think. Only one shot as well, I believe.

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Old 05/21/07, 12:50 AM   #15
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I prefer using Super Mana pots, mostly because mana thistle is a pain to farm on my server at the moment, and very expensive to buy. However I do use Dreamless Sleep potions alot too.

If Mana Thistle was easier to get (rather than being 60g a stack on the AH) then I'd use Fel Mana pots a bit.


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Old 05/21/07, 1:50 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Tel View Post
On a fairly random note:
Take 2 rogues, or get your one rogue to just sit and save energy for the demon chains while keeping wound poison up on illhoof. Fight goes from a 8 minute kill to a 4 minuite one. Easy your healers shouldnt have mana issues if the demon chains are being dealt with swiftly enough. A /target demon macro for all the raids dpsers will help hugely too.
Fight usually takes 5-6 minutes, but it's fairly mana intensive. We don't use a warlock to tank the imps -- our MT for Kara is a protection paladin, so he tanks Illhoof *and* the imps at the same time (until we clear them out; roughly every 20-30 seconds), and requires a fair bit of heals. It's not that he's undergeared, just that he's taking a lot of damage.

Our fury warrior OTs Kil'rek until he can be killed, and rarely requires much attention.

Chains, no matter who we have in the raid, continue to soak up my mana. I'll go through SF, 3 pots, 2 IF uses, and even then am usually running low when he dies. This is, of course, assuming my friendly neighbourhood SP isn't in the raid. When she comes, it's ez-mode.

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